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'''If''' process guidelines are met, move templates to the appropriate subsection '''here''' to prepare to delete. Before deleting a template, ensure that it is not in use on any pages (other than talk pages where eliminating the link would change the meaning of a prior discussion), by checking [[Special:Whatlinkshere]] for '(transclusion)'. Consider placing {{t1|Being deleted}} on the template page.

===Tools===
There are several tools that can help when implementing TfDs. Some of these are listed below. 
*[https://templatetransclusioncheck.toolforge.org/index.php?lang=en&name= Template linking and transclusion check] - Toolforge tool to see which pages are transcluded but not linked from/to a template
*[[User:Bradv/Scripts/WhatLinksHereSnippets.js|WhatLinksHereSnippets.js]] - user script that allows for template use to be viewed from the [[Special:WhatLinksHere]] page
*[[Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser|AutoWikiBrowser]] – Semi-automatic editor that can replace or modify templates using [[regular expressions]] 
*[[Wikipedia:Bots|Bots]] – Robots editing automatically. All tasks have to be [[WP:BRFA|approved]] before operating. There are currently four bots with general approval to assist with implementing TfD outcomes:
**[[Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/AnomieBOT 78|AnomieBOT]] - substituting templates via [[User:AnomieBOT/TFDTemplateSubster]]
**[[Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/SporkBot|SporkBot]] - general TfD implementation run by [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]]
**[[Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/PrimeBOT 24|PrimeBOT]] - general TfD implementation run by [[User:Primefac|Primefac]]
**[[Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/BsherrAWBBOT 2|BsherrAWBBOT]] – general TfD implementation run by [[User:Bsherr|Bsherr]]
**[[Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/PearBOT II 11|PearBOT II]] – general TfD implementation run by [[User:Trialpears|Trialpears]]

===Closing discussions===
The closing procedures are outlined at [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Closing instructions]].

===To review===
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Templates for which each transclusion requires individual attention and analysis before the template is deleted.

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*{{tfdl|Wt|2020 October 25|section=Template:Wt}}
*:For anyone looking to review these, check out [[User:Bradv/Scripts/WhatLinksHereSnippets.js]], which expands the template usage when using "what links here" - this way you can see if {{t|wt}} is being used by itself (and can be left alone) or is nested inside another template (and thus has to be modified per the discussion). [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 02:54, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
*::See discussion at [[Template_talk:Lang/Archive_10#Wikt-lang,_wt,_and_language_tags]] about how the merge is being dealt with. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 23:22, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
*{{tfdl|Columns|2020 December 20|section=Template:Columns}}
** Don't delete [[Template:Column/styles.css]] as it is not part of this template (and should probably be renamed).
** [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Edward_Albee&type=revision&diff=996200740&oldid=995415093 This is the basic gist]. It won't work for columns 6-10 in Columns. The set wherein it won't work is [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=hastemplate%3AColumns+insource%3Acol+insource%3A%2Fcol%28%5B6789%5D%7C10%29%2F&title=Special:Search&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&advancedSearch-current=%7B%7D&ns0=1&ns1=1&ns2=1&ns3=1&ns4=1&ns5=1&ns6=1&ns7=1&ns8=1&ns9=1&ns10=1&ns11=1&ns12=1&ns13=1&ns14=1&ns15=1&ns100=1&ns101=1&ns108=1&ns109=1&ns118=1&ns119=1&ns446=1&ns447=1&ns710=1&ns711=1&ns828=1&ns829=1&ns2300=1&ns2301=1&ns2302=1&ns2303=1 currently 0]. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 07:13, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
** I found that sometimes a mix of replacements would be good. See [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Indonesia-related_topics&type=revision&diff=998004427&oldid=988655841 this change] as an example. In other news, basically the only cases left to deal with are 2 and 3 columns, as I have sorted everything with more. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 20:47, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
**Scratch the news, I just filed [[:phab:T271071]]. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 22:29, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
**[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=hastemplate%3Acolumns+insource%3Acol4+-insource%3Acol5&title=Special:Search&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&advancedSearch-current=%7B%7D&ns0=1 Down to article space col4] and lower. I'm working my way down from the top. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 03:58, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
** Just 2/3 cols now which is apparently the vast majority of use. Sorted out some regexes so here we go! --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 03:58, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
** Down to col2. Some 600 in mainspace and another 700 elsewhere. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=hastemplate%3AColumns+-insource%3Acol3&title=Special%3ASearch&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&advancedSearch-current=%7B%7D&ns0=1 Article], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&limit=500&offset=0&ns1=1&ns2=1&ns4=1&ns5=1&ns6=1&ns7=1&ns8=1&ns9=1&ns10=1&ns11=1&ns12=1&ns13=1&ns14=1&ns15=1&ns100=1&ns101=1&ns108=1&ns109=1&ns118=1&ns119=1&ns446=1&ns447=1&ns710=1&ns711=1&ns828=1&ns829=1&ns2300=1&ns2301=1&ns2302=1&ns2303=1&search=hastemplate%3AColumns+-insource%3Acol3+-intitle%3A%2F%28%5BSs%5Dandbox%7C%5BAa%5Drchive%7Cfor+deletion%29%2F Elsewhere] --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 01:18, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
*{{tfdl|Hover_title|2020 December 19|section=Template:Hover title and Template:Tooltip}}
*{{tfdl|Tooltip|2020 December 19|section=Template:Hover title and Template:Tooltip}}
*:{{u|SMcCandlish}} What's the status of this one? I feel like you're the person with the best grasp of what needs to be done and if you could implement it that would be lovely. --[[User:Trialpears|Trialpears]] ([[User talk:Trialpears|talk]]) 16:57, 1 April 2021 (UTC) 
*::It's been on hold (since no one else is working on it).  I think where I got in the sandboxing is about as good as it's going to get. I did solicit further input and analysis, and will have to check again, but I don't think there were further improvement suggestions.  I'll probably need to set aside an entire day to pore over it all again and re-test. And that day is not today. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 13:00, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
*{{tfdl|Expert needed|2021 February 9|section=Template:Expert needed}}
**Implementing the partial deprecation is going to be a humongous curatorial undertaking. There are currently 3,410 articles in [[:Category:Articles needing expert attention with no reason or talk parameter]]. For some of these, the use of the template is inappropriate and may just be removed or replaced with another template that better matches the inferred intent of the editor who placed it there. For many cases though, the explanation for the template's placement was not provided in its {{para|reason}} parameter, but was given in the edit summary, and an accompanying talk page discussion was started but was not linked with {{para|talk}}. So, this is likely to involve some digging each time. Is there any way we could get help from wikiprojects? For example, we could intersect the above category with each of the topical subcategories of [[:Category:Articles needing expert attention]] and then post the resulting list on the talk page of a relevant wikiproject. – [[User talk:Uanfala|Uanfala (talk)]] 15:53, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
*** Just posting a "Please help clean this up in your topic area" instructional at wikiprojects' talk pages would probably get much of it done, especially if there's an implication that any problematic instances of this template after {{var|X}} date are simply likely to be removed. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 12:53, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
***:{{re|Headbomb}} I wonder if this can be integrated into article alerts? ex usage at [[Ballance's sign]] - it wants an expert in medicine, so maybe these can be auto advertised to WPMED? [[User:ProcrastinatingReader|ProcrastinatingReader]] ([[User talk:ProcrastinatingReader|talk]]) 22:52, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
***::@[[User:ProcrastinatingReader|ProcrastinatingReader]] @[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] and @[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]], there is currently only a single article in the maintenance category, and it does have a reason given (I'm not sure why it's in the category). Should one of you edit the template to give an error message if the ''reason='' field is blank? If not, it seems that this task is done and can be removed from this page. [[User:Oiyarbepsy|Oiyarbepsy]] ([[User talk:Oiyarbepsy|talk]]) 06:57, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
***::::This is more in line with the scope of [[User:CleanupWorklistBot]] than of [[WP:AALERTS]]. &#32;<span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|c]] · [[WP:PHYS|p]] · [[WP:WBOOKS|b]]}</span> 07:03, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
***:::Hold on, it looks like there is both [[:Category:Articles needing expert attention with no reason or talk parameter]] and [[:Category:Articles needing unspecified expert attention]]. It's the second of these that only has a single article remaining, but the first of these is a monster of a category. Apologies for the goof, carry on. [[User:Oiyarbepsy|Oiyarbepsy]] ([[User talk:Oiyarbepsy|talk]]) 07:03, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
*{{tfdl|Operabase|2021 May 1|section=Template:Operabase}}
*{{tfdl|Auto_archiving_notice|2021 May 13|section=Template:Auto archiving notice}} - merge into {{t|Talk_header}}, replace uses with either that template or {{t|archives}} as appropriate.
*{{tfdl|TVQ|2021 June 4|section=Template:TVQ}}
*{{tfdl|Parenthetical_referencing_editnotice|2021 July 7|section=Template:Parenthetical referencing editnotice}}
* {{tfdl|Exclude in print|ns=:Category|2021 May 31}}
** [[Module:Asbox#L-167]] if I'm not mistaken is where the stub pages come from. --[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 15:00, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
*** The noprint class should probably be added instead though. Don't have time to check on it rn though. --[[User:Trialpears|Trialpears]] ([[User talk:Trialpears|talk]]) 15:13, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
****Just to quote [[Special:Diff/1028047180|the edit summary]], {{tq|Listing this here so it doesn't get forgotten about, since it was part of the TfD (even though I think TfD is the wrong venue for categories)}}. While TfD is the wrong place for category nominations, categories ''can'' be added to a nomination if said category would be eligible for [[WP:G8|G8]] deletion (i.e. categories dependent on a now-deleted or changed template). In this particular instance, its inclusion in the Asbox module indicates that {{t|Hide in print}} and/or {{t|Only in print}} were not the only templates that were populating the category, and thus it is not G8'able. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 15:47, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
*****I can nominate at CfD if so desired. I will quote my relevant comment from the discussion here as to why I found it sensible to include it in the TfD nomination. {{tq2|I am well aware of the rules for what should go where but choose to ignore them in this case. I believe the more technical audience would have more opinions on Category:Exclude in print and that it would be unnecessary to fork this discussion to two places. If you think there would be an actual benefit in nominating it at CfD I'm happy to withdraw it and renominate it. For the time being I've dropped a note at WT:CFD in case the CfD crowd is interested.}} This got no response and I presumed it was considered fine. --[[User:Trialpears|Trialpears]] ([[User talk:Trialpears|talk]]) 15:54, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
******I remved the cat from asbox yesterday. If there are no objections in the next few days I will proceed with removal. Otherwise I'll start a CfD. --[[User:Trialpears|Trialpears]] ([[User talk:Trialpears|talk]]) 11:51, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
******:@[[User:Trialpears|Trialpears]] 273 pages left here that from randomly checking a few seem to have the category manually placed. What should be done with these? [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 10:08, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
******::If the template is already hidden (navboxes, sidebars, amboxes etc) the category can just be removed. Otherwise it should be evaluated if it should get a noprint class to hide it anyway. --[[User:Trialpears|Trialpears]] ([[User talk:Trialpears|talk]]) 12:10, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
*{{tfdl|R1|2021 November 13|section=Template:R1}}
*:Work page/list of templates is at [[/R-phrase]].
*{{tfdl|(S1)|2021 November 24|section=Template:(S1)}}
*:Work page/list of templates is at [[/R-phrase]]. See also 2021 November 13.

===To merge===
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Templates to be merged into another template.

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====Infoboxes====
*{{tfdl|Infobox_German_railway_vehicle|2020 March 18|section=Template:Infobox German railway vehicle}}
*{{tfdl|Infobox_locomotive|2020 March 18|section=Template:Infobox German railway vehicle}}
*: {{u|Pigsonthewing}}, a mapping for the params would help for this. I don't know anything about trains, but here's what I've figured out so far:
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<pre>
    mapping = {
        # Header / misc
        'boxtype' => nil, # only support boxtype = 'locomotive'
        'Farbe1' => nil, # color
        'Farbe2' => nil, # color
        'Baureihe' => 'name',
        'Abbildung' => 'image',
        'Name' => 'caption',

        # General
        'Nummerierung' => '', # "Number(s) allocated to the vehicle(s)"
        'Hersteller' => 'builder',
        'Baujahre' => 'builddate',
        'Indienststellung' => 'firstrundate',
        'Ausmusterung' => 'retiredate',
        'Anzahl' => 'totalproduction',
        'Wheel arrangement' => 'whytetype | aarwheels', # ambiguous? which one is it?
        'Achsformel' => '', # same as above
        'Gattung' => '', # some form of class (eg "S 37.19")
        'Spurweite' => 'gauge',
        'Höchstgeschwindigkeit' => 'maxspeed',

        # Wheels (should wheelbase sub-params be used in [[Template:Infobox locomotive]]?)
        'Laufraddurchmesser vorn' => 'leadingdiameter',
        'Laufraddurchmesser hinten' => 'trailingdiameter',
        'Laufraddurchmesser außen' => '', # Outer carrying wheel diameter, Garratt locomotives
        'Laufraddurchmesser innen' => '', # Inner carrying wheel diameter, Garratt locomotives
        'Laufraddurchmesser' => '',
        'Treibraddurchmesser' => 'driverdiameter',

        # Weight, dimensions and Axles
        'Leermasse' => 'locoweight', # "Total weight of vehicle when empty"
        'Dienstmasse' => 'tenderweight',
        'Reibungsmasse' => 'weightondrivers',
        'Radsatzfahrmasse' => 'axleload',
        'Höhe' => 'height',
        'Breite' => 'width',

        # Steam traction / cylinders
        'Zylinderanzahl' => 'cylindercount',
        'Zylinderdurchmesser' => 'cylindersize',
        'Kolbenhub' => '', # "[[Piston stroke]] - I think current template requires this to be <br>'d onto cyclindercount, if so, that should probably be changed in template"
        'Heizrohrlänge' => '', # Heating tube length. totalsurface/tubearea is provided, but this is an area, not a length?
        'Rostfläche' => '', # "Grate area"
        'Strahlungsheizfläche' => '', # "Radiative heating area, Firebox + combustion chamber"
        'Überhitzerfläche' => '', # Superheater area
        'Verdampfungsheizfläche' => '', # Evaporative heating area, Firebox heating area + combustion chamber + heating tubes + smoke tubes (total heating area)

        # Misc
        'Steuerungsart' => 'valvegear',
        'Tenderbauart' => '', # Tender
        'Wasser' => 'watercap',
        'Brennstoff' => 'fueltype + fuelcap', # in practice, may solely be 'fuelcap'
        'Lokbremse' => 'locobrakes',
        'Bremsen' => 'trainbrakes',

        # Undocumented
        'VorneLaufraddurchmesser' => '',
        'HintenLaufraddurchmesser' => '',
        'LängeÜberPuffer' => 'length/over bufferbeams', # ?
        'Kesseldruck' => 'boilerpressure',
        'AnzahlHeizrohre' => '',
        'AnzahlRauchrohre' => '',
        'IndizierteLeistung' => '',
        'HDZylinderdurchmesser' => '',
        'NDZylinderdurchmesser' => ''
    }
</pre>
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*:A number aren't documented in [[Infobox Schienenfahrzeug]], others I can't figure out the proper mapping. Those would be any empty with <nowiki>''</nowiki> or with comments left after #. This also isn't a complete list of all params, just a handful I found were common across ~5 transclusions I checked. I imagine a mapping of these should be enough to handle the majority of templates, and rest can be done by hand. Would appreciate a hand filling in the blanks, and checking over the mappings made. [[User:ProcrastinatingReader|ProcrastinatingReader]] ([[User talk:ProcrastinatingReader|talk]]) 13:52, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
*::{{Ping|ProcrastinatingReader}} Please see [[User:Slambo/DE infobox]]. Does that answer your questions? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 15:32, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
*:::{{u|Pigsonthewing}}, thanks for that! Yes, it fills in most of my list. Some further params didn't match up, so I made some educated guesses. There's a number which need to be added to {{t1|Infobox locomotive}} on that list (ignoring the train infobox for now). Perhaps it's faster to just add the most common ones, as I think a number aren't used. Some adjustments to existing params would help too (eg I've made a request at [[Template talk:Infobox locomotive]] for a change to cylindersize).
*:::Besides the ones that need to be added/adjusted, an immediate issue that pops up to me is that the page maps 'Brennstoff' to 'fueltype', but a number of pages use this param as if it were 'fuelcap' instead, e.g. [[DRG Class 05]]. Also, is "Wheel arrangement" necessarily always Whyte and never AAR?
*:::Also pinging {{u|Slambo}}, since you have more experience with this template (and can edit it), if you'd be willing to add/adjust those parameters to infobox locomotive? [[User:ProcrastinatingReader|ProcrastinatingReader]] ([[User talk:ProcrastinatingReader|talk]]) 19:31, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
* Merge to [[Template:Infobox Indian state legislative assembly constituency]]:
**{{tfdl|Infobox_Assam_Vidhan_Sabha_constituency|2021 July 15|section=Infobox Vidhan Sabha constituency}}
**{{tfdl|Infobox_Kerala_Niyamasabha_Constituency|2021 July 15|section=Infobox Vidhan Sabha constituency}}
**{{tfdl|Infobox_Vidhan_Sabha_constituency|2021 July 15|section=Infobox Vidhan Sabha constituency}}
**{{tfdl|Infobox_state_assembly_constituency|2021 July 15|section=Infobox Vidhan Sabha constituency}}
*{{tfdl|Infobox_song_contest|2021 August 31|section=Template:Infobox song contest}}
*{{tfdl|Infobox_Sanremo_Music_Festival|2021 August 31|section=Template:Infobox song contest}}
*{{tfdl|Apple_display_specs|2021 October 13|section=Template:Apple display specs}}
*{{tfdl|Infobox_information_appliance|2021 October 13|section=Template:Apple display specs}}
*{{tfdl|Infobox_National_Hockey_League_coach|2021 November 16|section=Template:Infobox National Hockey League coach}}
*{{tfdl|Infobox_ice_hockey_player|2021 November 16|section=Template:Infobox National Hockey League coach}}

====Navigation templates====
*{{tfdl|Signaling_peptide/protein_receptor_modulators|2020 August 2|section=Template:Signaling peptide/protein receptor modulators}}
** I am able to come up with the desired end navbox (which should just be the list of the first section titles) but I do not know how to get all the content back into the article itself. --[[User:Tom (LT)|Tom (LT)]] ([[User talk:Tom (LT)|talk]]) 01:32, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
***{{ping|Tom (LT)}} What do you mean by "get all the content back into the article itself"? --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 00:19, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
**** I mean, listify the majority of the contents (either in the article or in a separate list). --[[User:Tom (LT)|Tom (LT)]] ([[User talk:Tom (LT)|talk]]) 05:54, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
*****{{ping|Tom (LT)}} [[WP:NOTPERFECT]]. Pick a home, pick an appearance, and [[WP:JUSTDOIT]]. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 23:21, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
******{{doing}} --[[User:Tom (LT)|Tom (LT)]] ([[User talk:Tom (LT)|talk]]) 04:35, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
*{{tfdl|South_Sudan_political_divisions|2021 September 13|section=Template:South Sudan political divisions}}
*{{tfdl|Former_States_of_South_Sudan|2021 September 13|section=Template:South Sudan political divisions}}
*{{tfdl|DSM_personality_disorders|2021 November 14|section=Personality disorder classification}}
*{{tfdl|ICD-10_personality_disorders|2021 November 14|section=Personality disorder classification}}
*{{tfdl|Grant_Broadcasters|2021 November 30|section=Template:Grant Broadcasters}}
*{{tfdl|Australian_Radio_Network|2021 November 30|section=Template:Grant Broadcasters}}

====Link templates====
*{{tfdl|IOC profile|2021 May 6|section=Template:Olympic Channel}}
*{{tfdl|Olympic Channel|2021 May 6|section=Template:Olympic Channel}}
*{{tfdl|Username|2021 October 29|section=Template:Username}}
*{{tfdl|User_link|2021 October 29|section=Template:Username}}

====Other====
*Into {{t|Talk header}}:
**{{tfdl|Friendly_search_suggestions|2020 October 4|section=Reference search tools talk page templates}}
***Should be easy enough to remove the vast majority since {{tl|talk header}} already has the links. A bot is basically required though. Primefac, would a general TFD implementation BRFA be quick if I filed one or would there be questions about the need for a forth bot doing this? --[[User:Trialpears|Trialpears]] ([[User talk:Trialpears|talk]]) 15:39, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
****Reasonably quick, probably, but this is one of the ones I was going to look at this week and I can bump it to top priority. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 15:45, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
*****Nah, then I'll leave it to you! There are others waiting. --[[User:Trialpears|Trialpears]] ([[User talk:Trialpears|talk]]) 15:47, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
******[https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?psid=18733713 Pages with Talk header] (~3600), [https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?psid=18733748 pages without] (~19k). The former will be removed and the latter will be converted. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 16:16, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
*******I've seen a few that are used in sections on a talk page as a part of a conversation. These may warrant some extra attention. --[[User:Trialpears|Trialpears]] ([[User talk:Trialpears|talk]]) 16:37, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
********Interesting point. I'll make sure they're always preceded by a template, which should minimize the number of non-standard uses that trip. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 17:09, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
{{cot}}
*********{{ping|Primefac}} Please note that the {{tl|Friendly search suggestions}} (FSS) template has several search options that are not existent in the other templates that were discussed at the TfD. Consensus at [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2020_October_4#Reference_search_tools_talk_page_templates the TfD discussion] seems rather clear that "all" were to be merged into the Find sources template (e.g. the multitude of "Merge all, add <nowiki>{{Find sources}}</nowiki> into <nowiki>{{Talk header}}</nowiki>" !votes), after which, the Find sources template would be added to the Talk header template. The latter has already occurred, but the FSS template links are still nonexistent. A lot of thought and work went into the FSS template, so it sure would be a shame if those valuable search links got lost in the mix somewhere. <span class="smallcaps" style="font-variant:small-caps;">[[User:Northamerica1000|North America]]<sup>[[User talk:Northamerica1000|<span style="font-size: x-small;">1000</span>]]</sup></span> 16:27, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
**********While I slog through the slow process of replacing uses, you are more than welcome to merge the content per the discussion (it's not necessarily a one-editor show). If you don't do so by the time I finish the orphaning, I will do so before deletion. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 18:18, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
***********It seems relevant to link in a discussion NA1000 had with myself and Trialpears prior to the comment above, [[User_talk:Trialpears#FSS_template|here]]. I'll repeat simply for the record that I'm not sure there was a consensus to add in a dozen more links, at least on the basis of that discussion. It was an undiscussed detail at the time, however, so I guess people can make up their own opinions on the matter. To not disclose that conversation above when repeating their interpretation of my own close, and then [[User_talk:Primefac#Hello|request someone else make the edit]] without disclosing the conversation to them, is ''probably'' [[WP:OTHERPARENT|forum shopping]], however. [[User:ProcrastinatingReader|ProcrastinatingReader]] ([[User talk:ProcrastinatingReader|talk]]) 23:58, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
************User talk pages are not particularly "forums", as in Wikipedia namespace areas, they're user talk pages, and I went there to discuss why the Friendly search suggestions template was being prematurely removed from talk pages before any merge occurred. Bottom line is that consensus at the TfD discussion was to '''merge''', not to selectively merge, and not for the closer to later come along and decide via [[WP:SUPERVOTE]] to then delay the merge per their own personal opinions, ignoring the consensus that occurred. Fact is, I feel that the closer should have refrained from closing the discussion entirely and !voted instead, since they now appear to be against the merge from actually occurring.
***********:At the talk page discussion linked above, {{u|ProcrastinatingReader}} stated {{tq|"If, instead, you're not asking for my interpretation on the close (as the closer) and are instead just asking for something to be done, then note that I'm not standing in your way. I haven't touched the merge for months and am not currently implementing it. So I guess you can ask Trialpears, or edit the template <nowiki>{{Find sources}}</nowiki> yourself if you wish. I'm not standing in your way, objecting to that change, or saying I'll be reverting it."}}. How on earth could my post here then be considered as "forum shopping"? It certainly is not. It is commentary about a proper merge being performed. Simply put: [[WP:CONSENSUS]] was to merge, not to delay the merge. After the TfD discussion, users eagerly removed the {{tl|Friendly search suggestions}} template from article Talk pages, and unfortunately, now only very rudimentary search options are available to those that perform research to improve articles.
***********:Another matter is that the search options presently remaining are dumbed-down almost to the state of when the Find sources template was first created in 2007 ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Find_sources&oldid=106274758 perm link]). The merge should occur 1) per the consensus, and 2) because all of the innovation that went into improving search options over the course of years will go down the drain, in favor of the present dumbed-down version of the template. Moving backwards and providing inferior search options does not improve Wikipedia, it deteriorates it. <span class="smallcaps" style="font-variant:small-caps;">[[User:Northamerica1000|North America]]<sup>[[User talk:Northamerica1000|<span style="font-size: x-small;">1000</span>]]</sup></span> 23:21, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
***********::It's forum shopping (or asking the other parent, or whatever terminology you wish to use) because you asked the person doing the merge and got an answer, asked the closer and got an answer, presumably didn't like both answers, and then asked an admin giving your own interpretation again, without disclosing the interpretation of the closer and the person doing the merge. Of course, you're free to ask anyone else to look into it (or use your own advanced permissions and take responsibility for the edit yourself?), but you can't seriously say it's not forum shopping to go down a list of permission holders until one makes the edit unknowing of the history that wasn't disclosed to them. [[User:ProcSock|ProcSock]] ([[User talk:ProcSock|talk]]) 06:54, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
***********:::You've got this terribly wrong. You state {{tq|"and then asked an admin giving your own interpretation again"}} The matter was discussed at Trialpears talk page and here. Primefac, the admin you appear to be referring to, has already stated here over a month ago (28 March 2021 UTC) that they will eventually perform the merge, before I even came along. Since Primefac has stated that they eventually perform the merge, I posted above initially as a friendly reminder for the FSS template to be included in the merge as per the consensus at the TfD. I have not contacted any other admins, as you incorrectly state above. This is a bizarre statement. I didn't even notice that Trialpears has template editor rights until I read your post directly above. There is no mythical list of users I am contacting based upon their permission levels, and I resent being unjustly accused of something I have not performed. I initially contacted Trialpears to ask them why they were removing the FSS template from talk pages. The user's permission levels has nothing to do with any of this; I would have asked any user the same question. For full disclosure, I also messaged Primefac on their talk page, thanking them for replying here and stating that it's unlikely I'll be able to perform the merge myself ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Primefac&diff=1019349706&oldid=1019065558 diff]) (because it appears that Lua skills are necessary). Also, I am allowed to state my opinion here and elsewhere. You're making a mountain out of a nonexistent molehill here, and I won't be responding further here about your armchair allegations. There is no forum shopping, and normative communication is allowed. I again reiterate that you should not have closed the discussion since you have a personal opinion about the scope of the merge, and you should have !voted instead. Good day. <span class="smallcaps" style="font-variant:small-caps;">[[User:Northamerica1000|North America]]<sup>[[User talk:Northamerica1000|<span style="font-size: x-small;">1000</span>]]</sup></span> 04:34, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
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:* I have requested for [[Template:Friendly search suggestions]] to be undeleted ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Liz&diff=prev&oldid=1037579539 diff]). The consensus at [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2020 October 4#Reference search tools talk page templates]] was for the template to be '''merged''' into [[Template:Talk header]]. A merge will be difficult to perform if users cannot access the content. Since the consensus was to merge, the page should not have been deleted at all. Rather, after the merge (which has yet to occur), a redirect would be most appropriate. <span class="smallcaps" style="font-variant:small-caps;">[[User:Northamerica1000|North America]]<sup>[[User talk:Northamerica1000|<span style="font-size: x-small;">1000</span>]]</sup></span> 12:29, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
:*:What transclusions are left? [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 04:43, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
:*::As far as I am aware there are no transclusions left, but the extra links in {{t|Friendly search suggestions}} need to be added to [[Module:Find sources]] so that they will appear (in some form) in {{t|talk header}}. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 11:49, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
*{{tfdl|Football_squad_player2|2020 February 1|section=Template:Football squad player2}}
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:* '''Note''' Pending [[Template_talk:Football_squad_player/Archive 2#Redesign_RfC|Redesign RfC]] [[User:Robertsky|robertsky]] ([[User talk:Robertsky|talk]]) 18:51, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
::* I've closed the RfC. [[User:Mdaniels5757|Mdaniels5757]] ([[User talk:Mdaniels5757|talk]]) 15:15, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
:*At this point this is ready for large scale replacement. I said a while ago that I could do it but due to me being quite busy IRL this seems unlikely to get done in a timely manner. If you feel like doing a large scale replacement job feel free to take this one. --[[User:Trialpears|Trialpears]] ([[User talk:Trialpears|talk]]) 17:34, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
:**[[User:Trialpears|Trialpears]], what large-scale replacement? I (foolishly?) jumped into this rabbit hole, and have been in it for over a day now. This is a very complex merge; I've got [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ComparePages?page1=Template%3AFootball+squad+player%2Fdoc&rev1=&page2=Template%3AFootball+squad+player2%2Fdoc&rev2=&action=&diffonly=&unhide= the documentation diff] to show fewer differences, but there's still more to be done. – [[User:Wbm1058|wbm1058]] ([[User talk:Wbm1058|talk]]) 15:04, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
*{{tfdl|Clickable_button|2021 June 18|section=Template:Clickable button}}
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:* I made a few changes to [[Module:Clickable button 2/sandbox]] that would combine the functionalities of the two different templates. Someone may want to review that. &#8211;<span style="font-family:CG Times, times">[[User:MJL|<span style="color:black">MJL</span>]]&thinsp;[[User talk:MJL|‐'''Talk'''‐]]<sup>[[WP:WikiProject Connecticut|☖]]</sup></span> 23:21, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
*{{tfdl|WPCan10k|2021 May 10|section=Wikipedia article challenge templates}}
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*:Working page for this process is at [[Module talk:Political party]]. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 15:54, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
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*{{tfdl|Find_sources/links/free_news_sources|2021 November 27|section=Module:Find sources/links/archive.org|ns=Module}}
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*{{tfdl|Find_sources/links/new_york_times|2021 November 27|section=Module:Find sources/links/archive.org|ns=Module}}
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** These were merged and it is just a matter of waiting for the all transclusions to be gone. --[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 17:32, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

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* Merge with [[Template:Infobox Chinese]]
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*:1.5 years later I've taken another look. The merger itself doesn't look toooo bad but I'm really not a fan of adding "Infobox Chinese" to tons of articles not related to China in the slightest. The [[Template_talk:Infobox_Chinese#Requested_move_23_September_2019|2019 RM]] didn't go too well though and it's perhaps best to try to at least partially take a look at the (imo not so relevant) things cited as issues in the RM. These are adding support for some other major languages which is currently partially or completely missing (Arabic, Hebrew, Urdu if I'm not mistaken, Greek and probably a few more). The ordering support is also somewhat lacking which would be a pain to fix if it wasn't a module. I'm not particularly trilled about taking it on but I'm not a fan of having this ancient merger around indefinitely either. {{u|Trappist the monk}}  you seem like the obvious person to ask since you both developed the module and is the language guru, but it's completely understandable to not want to touch this. --[[User:Trialpears|Trialpears]] ([[User talk:Trialpears|talk]]) 23:18, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
*::If I remember correctly, I wrote [[Module:Infobox multi-lingual name]] to consolidate multiple various templates (with all of their unique peculiarities) into a single source.  Then I wrote a long long document describing the things that should be done to make the whole mess more sensible.  Alas, I lost that document as the result of a catastrophic computer failure which was perhaps serendipitous because of the drama the would inevitably arise – you know how wikipedians hate hate hate change because oh my god the sky is falling.  In retrospect, I came to realize that the better solution is to restart as a fresh design beginning with a whole new specification.  If the fresh design is any good it can organically take over from existing infoboxen without drama.  I have done nothing to advance that because, as you can see, it appears that wikipedians are more-or-less happy with the crap template that I wrote.  And, it appears, that wikipedians couldn't give two hoots about merging the two infoboxen because nigh on four years since the tfds and here the merge lingers...  Better to declare the merger dead and get on with life?
*::—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 00:20, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
*:::Regarding the name - keep in mind we can create any number of useful redirects if adding "...Chinese" to something that isn't is a problem. That being said, if it gets built into a location-neutral module, it would make ''so much sense'' to rename the main template (wink wink). [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 13:14, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
*:::It's a mess right now but I think the problem isn't that people don't care but that there are very few people who feel confident enough with both the lua and the languages to take it on and the few who do either don't want to get involved in the drama side or are simply busy elsewhere. I think I may deal with it after I've finished the mergers I've started but then there won't be any huge improvements to the module but rather just what's required for the merger. No matter what a second RM is coming. --[[User:Trialpears|Trialpears]] ([[User talk:Trialpears|talk]]) 14:17, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
*::::The primary purpose of this board is to implement the merger. If there are improvements made along the way that's great, but they're not a requirement and (not that this is the case for this merge) shouldn't hold up a merge. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 15:11, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
*::::: That the merge hasn't completed in 4 years surely means that it's reasonable to consider whether or not the original merge is still relevant. If we do continue with a merger, it seems perfectly reasonable to change the target to be called something like [[Template:Infobox multi-lingual name]], using [[Module:Infobox multi-lingual name]], rather than using the name of a language that isn't pertinent to many (most?) transclusions — the first page of [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Infobox_name_module]] shows me some Chinese but also a bunch of Japanese, French, Spanish and Italian films. — <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:OwenBlacker|OwenBlacker]]</span> <small>(he/him; [[User talk:OwenBlacker|Talk]]; please &#123;&#123;[[Template:ping|ping]]&#125;&#125; me in replies)</small></span> 20:30, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
*::::::{{ping|OwenBlacker}} I tried renaming at [[Template_talk:Infobox_Chinese#Requested_move_23_September_2019]]. More likely than not I will get to this during the summer so at least it shouldn't get to five years. I don't really see much that would have changed people opinions on this template. Not much has actually happened on this front. --[[User:Trialpears|Trialpears]] ([[User talk:Trialpears|talk]]) 21:03, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
*{{tfdl|Old_move|2020 November 28|section=Template:Old move}}
*{{tfdl|Old_moves|2020 November 28|section=Template:Old move}}
*:Module version created. More information at [[Template talk:Old move#Module and merger]]. --[[User:Trialpears|Trialpears]] ([[User talk:Trialpears|talk]]) 19:37, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

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*: This one has 572 that match <code>insource:/\{\{loc\}\}/</code>, with no template parameters. Those seem like a straightforward conversion to {{tl|Country study}}. Then the remaining 110ish templates with parameters could be cleaned up separately. Could probably get AWB in bot mode to do the 572. Does that sound like a good idea? Should I try to get a bot flag to help with that? –[[User:Novem Linguae|<span style="color:limegreen">'''Novem Linguae'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]])</small> 06:47, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
*::I can get it, just never had the time or inclination to pick apart the various uses. I've set up [[:Category:Pages using Template:Loc without any parameters|a tracking category]] to find the non-parameter uses, so once that populates I should be able to knock it out fairly quick. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 21:49, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
*:::I worked a bit on this a while ago, probably going a bit beyond what is strictly necessary when filling in parameters. It's worth noting that (countarary to the docs) that Kazakhstan and many other countries don't have their own country studies but are combined to something like [https://www.loc.gov/item/97005110/ Kazakstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, and Uzbekistan] or [https://www.loc.gov/item/95016570/ Indian Ocean : five island countries]. Also worth noting that these were made between 1988 and 2015 meaning that you may have weird situations with both the Soviet Union and Russia having country studies and there being plenty of other former countries to consider. I've also seen quite a few already broken links. My point being that care should be taken to make sure the links are correct and point to the intended target. --[[User:Trialpears|Trialpears]] ([[User talk:Trialpears|talk]]) 22:03, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
*:I recommend using standard {{tl|cite encyclopedia}} citations and converting these to footnotes (rather than generic endnotes) as we go. I have pre-made encyclopedia citations for all country studies, plus a page with comparisons using Earwig to the relevant country studies here: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Library of Congress Country Studies/Reference fixing]]. Example edit [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Catholic_Church_in_the_Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo&diff=prev&oldid=1023120614 here]. [[User:Calliopejen1|Calliopejen1]] ([[User talk:Calliopejen1|talk]]) 17:37, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
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