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The result was: '''rejected''' by [[User:BuySomeApples|BuySomeApples]] ([[User talk:BuySomeApples|talk]])&nbsp;03:15, 8 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
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{{DYK header|USS Hoggatt Bay}}
{{DYK nompage links|nompage=USS Hoggatt Bay|USS Hoggatt Bay}}
{{main page image/DYK|image=USS Hoggat Bay (CVE-75) in January 1944.jpeg|caption=The aircraft carrier}}
* ... that [[Kaiser Shipyards|the Kaiser]] built '''[[USS Hoggatt Bay|an American aircraft carrier]]''' ''(pictured)''{{-?}} <small>Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20190616103407/http://shipbuildinghistory.com/shipyards/emergencylarge/kvancouver.htm</small>
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** ''Comment'': I am exempt from a QPQ since I have less than 5 DYK credits. I'm thinking this is good for an April Fools' nomination, but since there will be 2 pictures then, I'm not sure if the people at DYK will have to make a decision about which hook gets the picture.
<small>Improved to Good Article status by [[User:Stikkyy|Stikkyy]] ([[User talk:Stikkyy|talk]]). Nominated by [[User:Heythereimaguy|Heythereimaguy]] ([[User talk:Heythereimaguy|talk]]) at 17:31, 8 December 2021 (UTC).</small>
* '''Comment''': This is a pretty excellent quirky hook, but I'd say probably not good for April Fools' Day, since the misdirection isn't the bolded article. Also, I added "U.S." to the hook. [[User:Theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Theleekycauldron|contribs]]) ([[Singular they|they]]/she) 04:53, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
::{{ping|Theleekycauldron}} I see. I just want to let you know that I changed "U.S." to "American", as I believe it sounds more natural that way. [[User:Heythereimaguy|Heythereimaguy]] ([[User talk:Heythereimaguy|talk]]) 23:59, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
:: {{yo|Heythereimaguy}} [[File:Symbol question.svg|16px]] Fair enough. No one seems to have reviewed this, so I'll get around to it. Article was promoted to GA on December 4, making it new enough, and it's also long enough, plagiarism-free, and neutral. I'm not quite sure if www.ShipbuildingHistory.com or Hazegray.org are reliable sources—it'd be helpful if someone could speak to that. the hook is interesting and cited, but it is ''not'' cited inline at the end of the relevant sentence in the article, so that'll need to be fixed. QPQ not required. We're nearly there! [[User:Theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Theleekycauldron|contribs]]) ([[Singular they|they]]/she) 23:05, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
:::{{u|Theleekycauldron}} I would say that ShipBuildingHistory is unreliable. ShipBuildingHistory's home page reveals that it is operated by one person named Tim Colton and I can't find evidence of him being an expert in the field. The other website is only operated by Andrew C. Toppan, but it should be fine due to him having books published by [[Arcadia Publishing]] and being a ship historian per the author tab [https://www.arcadiapublishing.com/Products/9780738510590#:~:text=Author-,Andrew%20C.,site%2C%20Haze%20Gray%20%26%20Underway. here]. His works have also been referenced in the books ''Battleship Oklahoma BB-37'', ''Network of Bones: Conjuring Key West and the Florida Keys'', and ''No Higher Honor: Saving the USS Samuel Roberts in the Persian Gulf'' per Google Books. [[User:SL93|SL93]] ([[User talk:SL93|talk]]) 01:18, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
:::: Ah, thanks, [[User:SL93|SL93]]! Okay, so both the article and the hook are gonna need a new citation to replace shipbuildinghistory.com. [[User:Theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Theleekycauldron|contribs]]) ([[Singular they|they]]/she) 01:21, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
::::: Sorry I haven't answered for a while. I will work on the problems. [[User:Heythereimaguy|Heythereimaguy]] ([[User talk:Heythereimaguy|talk]]) 12:57, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
:::::: I found a source from the US Navy that COULD replace shipbuildinghistory.com, but doesn't mention when the contract was awarded or when it was laid down. https://www.history.navy.mil/research/histories/ship-histories/danfs/h/hoggatt-bay.html [[User:Heythereimaguy|Heythereimaguy]] ([[User talk:Heythereimaguy|talk]]) 13:22, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
::::::: {{yo|Heythereimaguy}} sorry I've been away! My inbox has been piling up and up. That source works fine, as long as it mentions the Kaiser part in the hook and portions of the article that are no longer sourced are cut. [[User:Theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Theleekycauldron|contribs]]) ([[Singular they|they]]/she) 09:08, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
::::::::[[File:Symbol possible vote.svg|16px]] I'm giving 7 more days for the issues to be fixed. [[User:SL93|SL93]] ([[User talk:SL93|talk]]) 15:11, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::[[File:Symbol delete vote.svg|16px]] Rejecting. [[User:SL93|SL93]] ([[User talk:SL93|talk]]) 14:41, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
::::::::::I've left messages on both noms' talk pages requesting that they return. If they still do not return within a few days the nom can be closed. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|<B><span style="color:#0038A8">Naruto</span><span style="color:#FCD116">love</span><span style="color:#CE1126">hinata</span>5</B>]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:51, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::::Ok. Thanks for the update. [[User:SL93|SL93]] ([[User talk:SL93|talk]]) 02:52, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
::::::::::::Neither nom has edited since the closure marking so at the very least I'd wait either a week or them to return to editing, whichever comes first, before closing the nomination. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|<B><span style="color:#0038A8">Naruto</span><span style="color:#FCD116">love</span><span style="color:#CE1126">hinata</span>5</B>]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:52, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
*[[File:Symbol delete vote.svg|16px]] It's been a week since SL93's original closure marking and there's still been no response from either nominator despite multiple messages left on their talk pages. Unfortunately it seems that the situation is not going to change anytime soon and as such the nomination is regretfully marked for closure. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|<B><span style="color:#0038A8">Naruto</span><span style="color:#FCD116">love</span><span style="color:#CE1126">hinata</span>5</B>]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:04, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
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