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{{DYK header|Avraham Tamir}}
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* <s>... that in the 1980s, Israeli major general '''[[Avraham Tamir]]''' was a military strategist, peace negotiator, and held an official meeting with [[Palestine Liberation Organization]] leadership?</s>
* '''ALT1''': ... that although '''[[Avraham Tamir]]''' was a [[Aluf|major general]] in the [[Israel Defense Forces]], his grandson '''[[Daniel Efrat]]''' ''(pictured)'' was rejected after conscription?
** ''Reviewed'': [[Template:Did you know nominations/Up from the Ashes (song)]] and [[Template:Did you know nominations/Dear Land of Guyana, of Rivers and Plains]]
<small>Moved to mainspace by [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]). Self-nominated at 05:15, 5 January 2022 (UTC).</small>

*[[File:Symbol possible vote.svg|16px]] Hi [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]], review follows (I have only reviewed ALT1, so that both articles can be run):
:*'''Avraham Tamir''': article created 31 December and exceeds minimum length; article is well written; I found no issue with overly close paraphrasing in a sample of the English-language sources I could access;
:*'''Daniel Efrat''': article created 7 January and exceeds minimum length; is well written but lead needs expanding otherwise it can be tagged with [[Template:Lead too short]] which would disqualify it; I found no issue with overly close paraphrasing in a sample of the English-language sources I could access;
:*'''Hook etc.'''' I interesting and mentioned in the Efrat article; I've removed "renowned" from the hook as it is a judgement and the word is not mentioned in Tamir's article; I can sort of (through Google Translate) verify the conscription part but can't work out how the grandparent relationship is established. Is it through [https://dbs.anumuseum.org.il/skn/en/c6/e8071211/Personalities/Tamir_Dachna the family tree you link]? I couldn't find a Daniel Efrat on it. Also could you confirm that the tree is a reliable source and not user generated? Two QPQs have been carried out - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 15:39, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
::*{{re|Dumelow}} I assumed the relationship was sourced in the ynet source, as it seems to be used to source the information at the Hebrew Wikipedia article (unfortunately, he.wiki still uses the format of no inline refs and a bibliography, so it's hard to decipher what is for what; that is the only source I took from there, though). I've just combed it, and it doesn't seem to. It does, like the one about conscription, mention Ovad Efrat as Daniel's father so I'll look and see if there was presumably some news about him marrying Tamir's daughter... The family trees, based on what our article and the website say, seem to be created and maintained by the [[ANU - Museum of the Jewish People|Museum of the Jewish People]]. (They changed the database at some point in the last year or so, I had to fix a bunch of links, so I don't think it's complete, but hopefully a useful resource when it will be complete.) Googling in Hebrew on an English keyboard isn't the easiest, but I hope I'll find something soon. Will expand the Daniel Efrat lead. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 23:09, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
:::*{{re|Dumelow}} Ok, I have done the searches I can think of, and nothing concrete on Tamir and Efrat's relationship. I'll ask at the Hebrew Wikipedia later, and come up with other hooks. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 00:03, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
::*I'm also happy to propose separate hooks for the articles if that would help. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 23:13, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
:::::Thanks for looking into this [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]], happy to leave on hold while enquiries are made. Give me a ping when sorted or if you want to look at other hooks - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 06:20, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

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