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* ... that the [[play-by-mail game]] &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;[[CTF 2187]]&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; about futuristic battling robots had multiple works of fiction written about it? &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20020523052905/http://www.ageforfun.com/ (multiple Shannon Muir references in list)&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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* [[File:Symbol question.svg|16px]] Article is new and long enough. I notice there is some close paraphrasing from [https://web.archive.org/web/20041223044357if_/http://www.ageforfun.com:80/Downloads/ctfflier.pdf this source], such as the sentence starting &amp;quot;{{xt|You assume the role of a mercenary pilot in command of a huge robotic war machine know[n] as a Battle Bot....}}&amp;quot; I don&amp;#039;t think the hook jumps out as being particularly attention-grabbing; lots of things have works of fiction written about them. Also a QPQ is required. [[User:Ritchie333|&amp;lt;b style=&amp;quot;color:#7F007F&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Ritchie333&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|&amp;lt;sup style=&amp;quot;color:#7F007F&amp;quot;&amp;gt;(talk)&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|&amp;lt;sup style=&amp;quot;color:#7F007F&amp;quot;&amp;gt;(cont)&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 10:30, 1 February 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Thanks for the review {{u|Ritchie333}}. The sentence you mention is a blockquote. It closely matches the source you mentioned, but both the blockquote source and the source you mentioned are the same, the publisher. I imagine they used generally the same material in different places. Other than say, &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Dungeons and Dragons&amp;#039;&amp;#039;, I wasn&amp;#039;t aware of many other games with works of fiction about them. However, if it simply doesn&amp;#039;t seem interesting, I&amp;#039;ll look for another hook. [[User:Airborne84|Airborne84]] ([[User talk:Airborne84|talk]]) 17:01, 1 February 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::: &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;ALT1&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; ... that that the [[play-by-mail game]] &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;[[CTF 2187]]&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; about futuristic battling robots had secret societies and in-game romances? &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;Source: Robert R. Woodard, &amp;quot;CTF 2187: Fighting Fire with Fire,&amp;quot; &amp;#039;&amp;#039;[[Paper Mayhem]]&amp;#039;&amp;#039;, Mar/Apr 1997, No. 83. p. 24.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
::::{{u|Ritchie333}} The QPQ is complete and a new ALT provided. Please advise. Thanks! [[User:Airborne84|Airborne84]] ([[User talk:Airborne84|talk]]) 01:30, 5 February 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::[[File:Symbol voting keep.svg|16px]] Okay, in that case we&amp;#039;re good to go. AGF because of the offline source. [[User:Ritchie333|&amp;lt;b style=&amp;quot;color:#7F007F&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Ritchie333&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|&amp;lt;sup style=&amp;quot;color:#7F007F&amp;quot;&amp;gt;(talk)&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|&amp;lt;sup style=&amp;quot;color:#7F007F&amp;quot;&amp;gt;(cont)&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 16:06, 5 February 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::I should probably just ask this now because of the discussion now finished at [[Template:Did you know nominations/Midgard (game)]] regarding [[WP:DYKSG#C6]]. {{u|Theleekycauldron}} and {{u|Narutolovehinata5}} (or {{u|Ritchie333}}), do you think the &amp;quot;in-game romances&amp;quot; part of this hook is problematic or needs adjusting? The source said &amp;quot;in game romances&amp;quot;, and I&amp;#039;m guessing that meant people either play-acted their pilots as having romances in the game, or actually had romances from the game, or perhaps there wasn&amp;#039;t a difference. I don&amp;#039;t know if that runs afoul of the in-game criterion discussed at the other nomination and this part of the hook will end up needing to be removed, or perhaps it should just be reworded to &amp;quot;player romances&amp;quot; or it&amp;#039;s fine left as-is. Thoughts? Thanks. [[User:Airborne84|Airborne84]] ([[User talk:Airborne84|talk]]) 20:53, 6 February 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::I feel that ALT1 falls afoul of the in-universe criterion. I&amp;#039;m not really that much of a fan of the original hook: perhaps a hook about its development or reception would work out better? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&amp;lt;B&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0038A8&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Naruto&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FCD116&amp;quot;&amp;gt;love&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#CE1126&amp;quot;&amp;gt;hinata&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;5&amp;lt;/B&amp;gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:39, 7 February 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::OK, I&amp;#039;ll look around some more. Might take a bit. Recommend changing the button back to &amp;quot;maybe&amp;quot; in the meantime. Appreciate the input. [[User:Airborne84|Airborne84]] ([[User talk:Airborne84|talk]]) 13:32, 7 February 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*[[File:Symbol question.svg|16px]] Okay, let&amp;#039;s wait for a new hook in the meantime. Courtesy ping to {{u|Ritchie333}}. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&amp;lt;B&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0038A8&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Naruto&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FCD116&amp;quot;&amp;gt;love&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#CE1126&amp;quot;&amp;gt;hinata&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;5&amp;lt;/B&amp;gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:14, 8 February 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Okay. It&amp;#039;s round about now I summon [[User:EEng|Captain Hooky]] to see what they can muster up. [[User:Ritchie333|&amp;lt;b style=&amp;quot;color:#7F007F&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Ritchie333&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|&amp;lt;sup style=&amp;quot;color:#7F007F&amp;quot;&amp;gt;(talk)&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|&amp;lt;sup style=&amp;quot;color:#7F007F&amp;quot;&amp;gt;(cont)&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 09:18, 8 February 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;ALT2&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; ... that the attractions of &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;[[CTF 2187]]&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; included &amp;quot;the fog of war [and] polite insults in the newsletter&amp;quot;? [[User:EEng#s|&amp;lt;b style=&amp;quot;color:red;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;E&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;]][[User talk:EEng#s|&amp;lt;b style=&amp;quot;color:blue;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Eng&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;]] 12:46, 8 February 2022 (UTC) P.S. The article has a citation to Penrod, but there&amp;#039;s no Penrod in the sources list.&lt;br /&gt;
::::It is there, just the citation is done by plain text, not templates. [[User:Ritchie333|&amp;lt;b style=&amp;quot;color:#7F007F&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Ritchie333&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|&amp;lt;sup style=&amp;quot;color:#7F007F&amp;quot;&amp;gt;(talk)&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|&amp;lt;sup style=&amp;quot;color:#7F007F&amp;quot;&amp;gt;(cont)&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 13:31, 8 February 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::ALT2 is actually pretty good, IMO. BTW, the Penrod source was in the Further reading section and the reflink was a digit off so it didn&amp;#039;t link right. I moved it to the Bibliography and corrected the reflink so it links properly. Much appreciated! [[User:Airborne84|Airborne84]] ([[User talk:Airborne84|talk]]) 13:36, 8 February 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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