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* ... that '''[[Sean Caddle]]''', a [[Democratic Party (United States)|Democratic]] political consultant from [[Hudson County, New Jersey]], admitted in 2022 to hiring two men in 2014 to stab a [[Jersey City, New Jersey]] politician to death? Source: <https://www.nj.com/hudson/2022/01/killer-and-victim-in-murder-for-hire-scheme-had-deep-ties-to-hudson-politically-and-personally.html> <https://nj1015.com/nj-political-operative-pleads-guilty-in-2014-murder-for-hire-plot/>
** '''ALT1''': ... that '''[[Sean Caddle]]''', a [[Democratic Party (United States)|Democratic]] political operative from [[New Jersey]] who in 2014 hired hitmen to assassinate a [[Hudson County, New Jersey|Hudson County]] politician, had previously been investigated for voter fraud? Source: <https://jcitytimes.com/consultant-pleads-guilty-in-murder-of-jersey-city-political-operative/> <https://newjerseyglobe.com/legislature/former-lesniak-aide-pleads-guilty-in-murder-for-hire-case/>
** '''ALT2''': ... that '''[[Sean Caddle]]''', a [[New Jersey]] political consultant who had worked for [[Democratic Party (United States)|Democratic]] U.S. Senator [[Bob Menendez]], hired two men to assassinate a politician from [[Jersey City, New Jersey]] in 2014? Source: <https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/new-jersey-hit-men-murder-b2002469.html> <https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2022/01/26/new-jersey-political-sean-caddle-murder-plot/4781643213567/>
** '''ALT3''': ... that '''[[Sean Caddle]]''', a [[New Jersey]]-based [[Democratic Party (United States)|Democratic]] political consultant, ran a nonpartisan [[Harris County, Texas]] voter registration organization in 2010? <https://www.nj.com/politics/2022/01/he-is-a-nj-political-operative-who-pleaded-guilty-to-murder-for-hire-but-remains-free-why.html> 
** ''Reviewed'': N/A (do not yet have 5 DYK credits)
Created by [[User:Mhawk10|Mhawk10]] ([[User talk:Mhawk10|talk]]). Self-nominated at 05:16, 29 January 2022 (UTC).

*[[File:Symbol question.svg|16px]] More of a comment than a review but, while all three hooks are technically interesting and cited, all three do seem to have BLP concerns. I wonder if other hooks could be proposed here that meet BLP. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:19, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
**{{re|Narutolovehinata5}} Can you expand upon what the particular BLP issue is? The three hooks are all cited to reliable [[WP:NEWSORG]]s (and several other suitable sources exist, such as ''[https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/25/nyregion/sean-caddle-hitman-hitmen.html The New York Times]'', [https://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-news-murder-for-hire-connecticut-20220127-b3q6jjgwjnb2fk775hcsncb6fe-story.html ''Hartford Courant''], [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/he-is-a-nj-political-operative-who-pleaded-guilty-to-murder-for-hire-but-remains-free-why/ar-AATdibg?ocid=uxbndlbing ''NJ.com''], etc. The plea agreement that Caddle entered into would satisfy relevant [[WP:BLPCRIME]] issues. The three hooks are also related to the things Caddle is most known for. I'd understand BLP concerns if there weren't a conviction or plea agreement, but the presence makes the murder for hire plot (extremely rare in the scope of modern U.S. politics) something that might attract a lot of attention to the article. — [[User:Mhawk10|Mhawk10]] ([[User talk:Mhawk10 |talk]]) 21:43, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
:::I'm just not comfortable having a hook calling a living person a criminal on the main page, regardless of their political affiliation. It feels against the spirit of BLP if you ask me. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:33, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
::::It's not the partisan affiliation that is sort of key here, but it's the murder-for-hire that the person admitted to which involved killing a politician. Anywho, I've proposed another alternative above (ALT3) that doesn't mention any of the criminal activity. — [[User:Mhawk10|Mhawk10]] ([[User talk:Mhawk10 |talk]]) 03:36, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
*[[File:Symbol delete vote.svg|16px]] None of the hooks are acceptable. Per the DYK rules, "Articles and hooks that focus unduly on negative aspects of living individuals or promote one side of an ongoing dispute should be avoided." The proposed ALT3 does not violate that rule, but I do not see what makes it interesting to a broad audience, nonpartisan voter drives are very common. ([[User talk:Buidhe|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Buidhe|c]]) '''[[User:buidhe|buidhe]]''' 06:47, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
**Is that the ''New Jersey'' guy was running a whole voter registration operation in ''Texas'' not interesting or unexpected for a politician? Also, I'm really going to contest that ALT0-2 ''unduly focus'' on negative aspects. Searching his name on Google News yields [https://www.google.com/search?q=%22sean+caddle%22&tbm=nws about 4400 results], while searching {{tq|"Sean Caddle" "murder-for-hire"}} yields [https://www.google.com/search?q=%22sean+caddle%22+%22murder+for+hire%22&tbm=nws about 2250] (and "murder-for-hire" is obviously not the only verbatim phrase that can be used for paying people to assassinate someone). With a very conservative measure, over half of the sources covering him seem to be interested in the murder-for-hire plot, which is what he's most known for at this point. Why would featuring this be undue? — [[User:Mhawk10|Mhawk10]] ([[User talk:Mhawk10 |talk]]) 18:10, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
***The issue is that the proposed hooks don't focus on the assassination plot, but rather a specific living individual's role in it. ([[User talk:Buidhe|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Buidhe|c]]) '''[[User:buidhe|buidhe]]''' 01:14, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
****Ok. I think I can work with this. I'll try to think of another hook. — [[User:Mhawk10|Mhawk10]] ([[User talk:Mhawk10 |talk]]) 03:24, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
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