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* ... that only mainland China, Hong Kong and Taiwan are still pursuing a '''[[zero-COVID]]''' strategy? Source1: {{cite journal | last1 = Normile | first1 = Dennis | title = ‘Zero COVID’ is getting harder—but China is sticking with it | journal = Science | date = 19 November 2021 | volume = 374 | issue = 6570 | pages = 924–924 | issn = 0036-8075 | eissn = 1095-9203 | doi = 10.1126/science.acx9657 | pmid = 34793217 | url = }}
Source2:{{Cite web|date=2022-01-01|title=How much longer can China keep up its zero-Covid strategy?|url=https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/01/china-zero-covid-strategy-beijing-policy-protecting-public-health-coronavirus|access-date=2022-01-02|website=The Guardian}}
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** ''Comment'': New article
Created by [[User:Novem Linguae|Novem Linguae]] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]), [[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]), [[User:Thucydides411|Thucydides411]] ([[User talk:Thucydides411|talk]]), and [[User:Arcahaeoindris|Arcahaeoindris]] ([[User talk:Arcahaeoindris|talk]]). Nominated by [[User:Moxy|Moxy]] at 16:49, 2 January 2022 (UTC).

* [[File:Symbol possible vote.svg|16px]] DYKcheck says that the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zero-COVID&oldid=1063390082 current version of the article] has only '1386 characters (221 words) "readable prose size"'. That falls below the DYK minimum of 1,500 characters. {{yo|Moxy|Novem Linguae}} I am sure that it can readily be expanded to pass the threshold. If and when that happens, please ping me and I will complete the review. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]] [[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]]) 20:48, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
*: {{u|BrownHairedGirl}}. Thanks to {{u|Thucydides411}} starting an expansion, we're currently at 524 words, 3536 characters. Feel free to resume your review. Thank you. –[[User:Novem Linguae|'''Novem Linguae''']] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 21:03, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
*::{{yo|Novem Linguae}} that's good news, but I think it will be difficult to review while it is being actively expanded. Please can you or @{{u|Thucydides411}} ping me when it has stabilised again. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]] [[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]]) 21:07, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
*:::{{re|BrownHairedGirl}} I'll ping you once the article is a bit more stable. I'm still adding content. -[[User:Thucydides411|Thucydides411]] ([[User talk:Thucydides411|talk]]) 22:06, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
*::::Thanks, @{{u|Thucydides411}}. Moxy's correction[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Zero-COVID&diff=1063396665&oldid=1063395729] of the hook fact is welcome, but the fact that the first hook was wrong suggests that the initial nomination was premature. It would be helpful if all 3 editors could review the article before a full DYK review is started. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]] [[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]]) 22:16, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
*:::::Not wrong...some like to list the distinctions of [[Greater China]] ....so was amended as so.[[User:Moxy|Moxy]]-[[File:Maple Leaf (Pantone).svg|15px|link=User talk:Moxy]] 23:29, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
*::::::The unualified term "[[China]]" usually refers to the PRC, not Taiwan. So it was at best misleading. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]] [[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]]) 23:52, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
*: P.S. Suggest adding myself and Thucydides411 to the nomination, if appropriate. –[[User:Novem Linguae|'''Novem Linguae''']] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 21:05, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
*::{{yo|Novem Linguae}}: done[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Zero-COVID&diff=1063394758&oldid=1063394043]. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]] [[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]]) 21:14, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
* I'm not sure the current hook is accurate - [[Macau]] is still pursuing a zero-covid strategy too, isn't it?[https://www.economist.com/china/2021/10/16/how-long-can-chinas-zero-covid-policy-last] —[[User:Mx. Granger|Mx. Granger]] ([[User talk:Mx. Granger|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Mx. Granger|contribs]]) 18:19, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
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*: Correct me if I'm wrong, but that source doesn't appear to say that Macau is still pursing zero-COVID. My quick search for the word Macau didn't indicate anything like that in the vicinity of the word. Can you clarify with a quote? More generally, I agree that we need to tighten up the hook. That is one of the reasons this DYK is on hold. We had one article that said XYZ are the only countries pursuing COVID, but as we expand the article we are finding additional countries. –[[User:Novem Linguae|'''Novem Linguae''']] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 21:42, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
*::The source I linked says "Since the early days of the covid-19 pandemic, China’s aim has been to eliminate the coronavirus entirely from within the mainland’s borders. Hong Kong and Macau have similar strategies." The alternate hook you suggested below seems fine to me. —[[User:Mx. Granger|Mx. Granger]] ([[User talk:Mx. Granger|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Mx. Granger|contribs]]) 22:10, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
* '''Hook #2''': Proposal for new hook that has no danger of being factually incorrect: {{tq|...that places such as China, Hong Kong and Taiwan have pursued a [[zero-COVID]] strategy?}} –[[User:Novem Linguae|'''Novem Linguae''']] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 21:51, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
::'''Support.''' New hook seems to correct the issues. ––[[User:FormalDude|'''''FormalDude''''']] [[User talk:FormalDude|'''talk''']] 13:30, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
* Bloomberg reported this morning that Omicron has ruined Hong Kong's Zero COVID [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-07/hong-kong-faces-worst-of-both-worlds-as-omicron-ruins-covid-zero]. Zero COVID is just a political slogan and the article gives undue weight to this political angle. [[User:CutePeach|CutePeach]] ([[User talk:CutePeach|talk]]) 10:22, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
* Zero Covid is a ongoing response for COVID-19, so this article can be updated. I think it's ok. [[User:Thingofme|Thingofme]] ([[User talk:Thingofme|talk]]) 13:36, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
* {{u|BrownHairedGirl}}. Hey there. It's been a week or so. Probably worth taking another look at this. I proposed a new hook above that avoids some of the issues with the first one. Thanks for your help. –[[User:Novem Linguae|'''Novem Linguae''']] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 10:56, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
*: Hey {{u|BrownHairedGirl}}. Sorry for the double ping. Just wanted to follow up and see if you had some time to work on this. I think this may be ready to approve using hook #2, but I'll leave that up to your good judgment. Thank you very much. –[[User:Novem Linguae|'''Novem Linguae''']] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 15:40, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
*::Hi @{{u|Novem Linguae}}, and sorry for my slow reply. I took a quick look at the article, and it seems that you have all done great work. It now has 4928 words and over 140 references ... so it has grown from being a stub when nominated to something more like B-class. Well done! However, that also means that the task of reviewing it for DYK has grown from being a 20-minute task to a whole day's work. And I am sorry to say that I have neither the time nor the inclination to devote a whole day to do, and I won't sign off as reviewed an article which I have not properly scrutinised. So I think it's best that I bow out, and someone else does the review. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]] [[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]]) 17:23, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
*:::Fair enough. Thank you for letting us know. –[[User:Novem Linguae|'''Novem Linguae''']] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 17:32, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
* [[File:Symbol redirect vote 4.svg|16px]] New review needed per above. —[[User:Mx. Granger|Mx. Granger]] ([[User talk:Mx. Granger|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Mx. Granger|contribs]]) 22:33, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

* {{u|Novem Linguae}}{{u|Moxy}}{{u|Thucydides411}}{{u|Arcahaeoindris}}, I'm happy to give this a review, but I'm not sure about the hook. It's exceptionally time-sensitive, and this was created weeks ago, and it could be further weeks before it hits the main page. I'm not overthrilled with the proposed Hook 2, it's too vague to be interesting. I'm going to give the article a good reading and will see if I can come up with some suggestions, but if anyone else has one, please add! [[User:Valereee|valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 13:34, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
*Hook...''The [[Zero-COVID]] strategy is predicated on a series of measures, including lookdowns, restrictions on travel, mass testing and contact tracing.''[[User:Moxy|Moxy]]-[[File:Maple Leaf (Pantone).svg|15px|link=User talk:Moxy]] 14:41, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
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Re: ALTs. I think you could build a dateproof alt around the fact HK's zero-COVID strategy was being called unsustainable by the end of January 2022. I think you could build one around the fact opponents are calling it unfeasible/unrealistic. [[User:Valereee|valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 14:35, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
:[[User:Valereee|valereee]], I only see one prior DYK nomination by Moxy, from 2015. Unless you found some that I missed, they would be on their second free DYK for this nomination. [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 02:36, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
::{{u|BlueMoonset}}, thanks, missed that it wasn't actually nom'd by the other editors. [[User:Valereee|valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 20:45, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

[[File:Symbol possible vote.svg|16px]] [[User:Valereee|valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 14:29, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

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