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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Listcruft&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; is a term some editors use to refer to indiscriminate or trivial lists. The term derives from the older [[hacker]] term &amp;#039;&amp;#039;[[cruft]]&amp;#039;&amp;#039;, describing obsolete code that accumulates in a program. The term is a neologism largely restricted to Wikipedia and its mirrors; as such, it is inappropriate for use in the text of articles (per [[Wikipedia:Avoid neologisms]] and [[Wikipedia:Avoid self-references]]), although it is freely used in certain article tags and on article talk pages.&lt;br /&gt;
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In general, a &amp;quot;List of X&amp;quot; [[WP:SAL|stand-alone list article]] should only be created if X itself is a legitimate [[WP:NOT|encyclopedic topic]] that already has its own article. The list should originate as a section within that article, and should not be broken out into a separate article until it becomes so long as to be disproportionate to the rest of the article. It is very appropriate for the article on [[Zoology]] to &amp;#039;&amp;#039;include&amp;#039;&amp;#039; a list of [[Zoology#Notable zoologists|important zoologists]] within it, and for the article on the fictional series character [[Rick Brant]] to &amp;#039;&amp;#039;include&amp;#039;&amp;#039; a list of the Rick Brant books. &lt;br /&gt;
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In particular, if X is an encyclopedic topic, the X page should &amp;#039;&amp;#039;not&amp;#039;&amp;#039; consist only of a &amp;quot;list of X&amp;quot;, in effect [[ostensive definition|ostensively defining]] the topic. Effort should be made to write an article which verifiably defines and characterizes the topic first.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;For example, [[Humorist]] was originally a list of &amp;quot;humorists&amp;quot;, which also had the defect of not discriminating between humorists and [[comedian]]s.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Valid examples of standalone lists would include [[List of University of Chicago people]] and [[List of Oz books]]. In both cases, the lists correspond closely to encyclopedia articles&amp;amp;mdash;[[University of Chicago]] and [[L. Frank Baum]], respectively&amp;amp;mdash;and in both cases the length and detail of the list justify breaking them out.&lt;br /&gt;
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On the other hand, topics such as [[List of small-bust models and performers]], [[List of songs that contain the laughter of children]], and [[List of nasal singers]] should be considered highly questionable because there are no articles on those topics.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[WP:EMBED|Embedded (within-article) lists]] may also be crufty, especially when they are [[WP:NOT#INDISCRIMINATE|indiscriminate]] collections of [[WP:TRIVIA|unimportant or irrelevant miscellanea]] (trivia).&lt;br /&gt;
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==Meaning==&lt;br /&gt;
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If a Wikipedia editor refers to a list as listcruft, it generally indicates they believe the list would not be expected to be included in an [[encyclopedia]]. More specifically, an editor&amp;#039;s use of the term listcruft generally indicates they are asserting that one or more of the following are true:&lt;br /&gt;
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# The list is of interest to [[Wikipedia:Fancruft|a very limited number of people]]&lt;br /&gt;
# The list is a violation of [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia_is_not_an_indiscriminate_collection_of_information|Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information]]&lt;br /&gt;
# The content is [[Wikipedia:Verifiability|unverifiable]]: the underlying concept is [[WP:NN|non-notable]] or poorly defined&lt;br /&gt;
# The list cannot be expanded beyond a handful of terms&lt;br /&gt;
# The list is unlimited and/or unmaintainable&lt;br /&gt;
# The list has no content beyond links to other articles, so would be better implemented as a (self-maintaining) category&lt;br /&gt;
# Determining membership of the list requires adoption of a non-[[WP:NPOV|neutral point of view]], and [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] for avoiding it are not available.&lt;br /&gt;
# Determining membership of the list involves [[WP:NOR|original research]] or [[WP:SYNTH|synthesis]] of ideas.&lt;br /&gt;
# The list&amp;#039;s membership is volatile and requires a disproportionate amount of effort to keep up to date.&lt;br /&gt;
# The list attracts the addition of little that is of clear importance or even relevance in the context of the topic.&lt;br /&gt;
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Generally speaking, the perception that an article is listcruft can be a contributing factor to someone voting for deletion, but it might not be the sole factor.  In such cases, this perception is generally challenged by those voting for retention.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Examples of lists==&lt;br /&gt;
* [[List of songs containing the sound of a woodpecker]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[List of people who have ears]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[List of dog names]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[List of groups of eight people]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[List of listcrufty lists]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Homelessness#Other terms|Linguistic titles for the homeless around the world]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of software projects whose name is a term offensive to many people with disabilities|List of software projects whose name is a term offensive to many people with disabilities]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Wikipedia:Notability#Stand-alone lists]] ([[WP:LISTN]])&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Wikipedia:Too much detail]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Wikipedia:Fancruft]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not for things made up in school one day]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Wikipedia:Overlistification]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Wikipedia:Example cruft]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[List of lists of lists]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Notes==&lt;br /&gt;
{{Reflist}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{List navbox}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Handling miscellanea}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Wikipedia essays about deletion]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Wikipedia essays about navigation]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Wikipedia essays about lists]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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