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= February 3 =

== Word list ==

I'm trying my hand at replicating [[Wordle]] in Excel. To my surprise, the difficult part has been in obtaining a decent list of 5-letter words. The stuff I've found online is either really truncated (eliminating a lot of pretty basic 5-letter English words) or exists across dozens of pages. What I'd like to find at this point is just a plain old corpus of 5-letter words that I can paste in. I've resigned myself to creating the actual puzzle word list by hand, but I do still need a more comprehensive list to serve as a check that the user is entering a valid word (and not just entering AEIOU for their first word. Any suggestions? If possible, it should be a "legal" word list such as what Scrabble might accept, though it needn't be an exact match. I'm just trying to avoid lists with made up stuff like [https://www.bestwordlist.com/5letterwords.htm adrad] in it. [[User:Matt Deres|Matt Deres]] ([[User talk:Matt Deres|talk]]) 02:38, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
:Can't you do something similar to downloading a Scrabble dictionary, and then run a script to sort out all accepted five-letter words? By the way, [[wikt:adrad|adrad]] doesn't appear to be made up, but it's from generally obsolete Chaucer's English... [[User:Wakuran|惑乱 Wakuran]] ([[User talk:Wakuran|talk]]) 03:27, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
: {{Reply to|Matt Deres}}: Bill the Farmer has [https://github.com/billthefarmer/gurgle/tree/main/src/main/java/org/billthefarmer/gurgle two English*.java] for his Gurgle. --[[User:Error|Error]] ([[User talk:Error|talk]]) 12:27, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
::What about importing a large bunch of public domain books and parsing out the unique five-letter words?[[User:Hayttom|Hayttom]] ([[User talk:Hayttom|talk]]) 17:57, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
:::I'd guess that approach would produce a bunch of fluff with proper names, placenames, random coinages etc... [[User:Wakuran|惑乱 Wakuran]] ([[User talk:Wakuran|talk]]) 19:53, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
: The list used by Wordle is included in plain text in its [https://www.powerlanguage.co.uk/wordle/main.e65ce0a5.jsits source code], and is reasonably easy to extra from there. (Actually there are two lists, of common and less-common words.) [[User:AndrewWTaylor|AndrewWTaylor]] ([[User talk:AndrewWTaylor|talk]]) 22:15, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
:Check [https://gist.github.com/cfreshman/dec102adb5e60a8299857cbf78f6cf57 these files] for the Wordle lists in text format sorted alphabetically. Apparently the source files from the official website are in order, so they contain spoilers. - [[User:Lindert|Lindert]] ([[User talk:Lindert|talk]]) 22:58, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
::Thanks, [[User:Lindert|Lindert]]; that did the trick (though it does have ''adrad'' in there :-P). [[User:AndrewWTaylor|AndrewWTaylor]], your link returned a 404 error. Just an FYI; I've got what I need. Thank you everyone who replied! [[User:Matt Deres|Matt Deres]] ([[User talk:Matt Deres|talk]]) 03:33, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
:::According to Wiktionary, ''[[:wikt:adrad|adrad]]'' is Middle English for "afraid", so maybe not "made up" exactly. --[[User:Trovatore|Trovatore]] ([[User talk:Trovatore|talk]]) 23:07, 5 February 2022 (UTC) 
*Just as an aside, [[3Blue1Brown]] just posted a video on the Wordle game and information theory. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v68zYyaEmEA Here]. It may have a lot of useful information regarding the word lists useful for the OP. --[[User:Jayron32|Jayron]][[User talk:Jayron32|''32'']] 17:12, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
::From what I've read about the game, the main point is that there's a large set of words (including such as ''adrad'') that are acceptable as possible five-letter "guesses" by players but a much smaller set of these (consisting of widely known words) that are used as actual solutions. See [https://slate.com/technology/2022/02/perfect-wordle-guessing-strategy.html this], for example. [[User:Deor|Deor]] ([[User talk:Deor|talk]]) 17:24, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
:::Yes, that is correct; 3b1b's video goes into that, and talks about how to optimize play using a combination of the words in the lists and knowledge of the commonness of various words on the list. --[[User:Jayron32|Jayron]][[User talk:Jayron32|''32'']] 17:32, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

= February 5 =

== Gottvater im Auszug ==

[[File:Hauptaltar_Neue_Kirche_St._Sylvester_Muenchen-4.jpg|thumb]]
I found the phrase "Gottvater im Auszug" in [[St. Sylvester, Schwabing]] and got nowhere with Google translate. It seems to relate to the picture (right) and the article [[:de:Altarauszug]], so I translated it as "The figure of God the Father at the top of the altar" but I would be interested to know if there is a word or phrase for (Altar)auszug in English and in any information on the subject in English. [[User:TSventon|TSventon]] ([[User talk:TSventon|talk]]) 19:00, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

:The term used in English for a decorative screen behind an altar is an [[altarpiece]] or [[reredos]], but the article you linked seems to specifically point to a sort of frieze on top of that. [[User:Alansplodge|Alansplodge]] ([[User talk:Alansplodge|talk]]) 22:40, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
::[https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=FtlMAgAAQBAJ&pg=RA4-PA516 ''The Grove Encyclopedia of Medieval Art and Architecture, Volume 2'' (p. 516)] under the entry for [https://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/acref/9780198662037.001.0001/acref-9780198662037-e-2378 ''Schnitzaltar''] says:
::{{xt|Placed on both the high altar and side altars, and carved of native woods (mainly limewood and pine), ''Schnitzaltäre'' consist of four essential sections: a central shrine (Ger. ''Schrein''; Lat. and Ger. ''Corpus'') containing sculpture rests on a smaller shrine commonly referred to by the Italian term [[predella]] (Ger. ''Sarg''); moveable pairs of shutters or wings (Ger. ''Flügel''), bearing either paintings or relief carvings on both front and back, are attached to the shrine and to the predella; and the shrine is always crowned with an architecture-like superstructure (Ger. ''Auszug'') consisting of carved tracery and sculpture niches. Most examples are profusely coloured and gilded.}}
::So it would seem that there isn't an English term for "Auszug" in this context - I would suggest "top of the altarpiece" (the [[Altar#Christianity|altar]] itself being generally a rectangular table). [[User:Alansplodge|Alansplodge]] ([[User talk:Alansplodge|talk]]) 23:20, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
:::For lack of an English equivalent, a book may leave the term untranslated.[https://books.google.com/books?id=xRVUUwyZEXsC&pg=PA15&dq=Auszug&hl=en] But texts tend to use ''superstructure'' in the explanation or as an English substitute; see ''The Grove Encyclopedia'' quoted above, the book linked to in the previous sentence, and some others ([https://books.google.com/books?id=zhZ348IKVDcC&pg=PA215&dq=%22Auszug%22+%22superstructure%22&hl=en], [https://books.google.com/books?id=gFkpS1VsXOcC&pg=PA67&dq=%22Auszug%22+%22superstructure%22&hl=en]).  --[[User talk:Lambiam|Lambiam]] 01:11, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
::::Thank you all, I have updated the article. [[User:TSventon|TSventon]] ([[User talk:TSventon|talk]]) 12:04, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

= February 7 =

== G in the NATO phonetic alphabet ==

Is it pronounced Golf or Gulf?? The sport is pronounced Golf, but the [[NATO phonetic alphabet]] article says that the code word for G is pronounced Gulf despite being spelled Golf. [[User:Georgia guy|Georgia guy]] ([[User talk:Georgia guy|talk]]) 02:25, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
:Look again. It's golf, not gulf. --←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] ''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]'' [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 02:29, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
:According to [[wikt:Golf#References]], the use of ʌ instead of ɔ in the IPA is presumed to be a mistranscription (albeit without corroboration, of course). See also [[Talk:NATO phonetic alphabet/Archive 1#Phonetic_transcription]] and [[Talk:NATO phonetic alphabet/Archive 2#Proposed deletion of respellings]]. --[[User:Kinu|Kinu]] [[User_talk:Kinu|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Kinu|c]] 02:36, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
::Fortunately for us Londoners, the two words are homophones. [[User:Alansplodge|Alansplodge]] ([[User talk:Alansplodge|talk]]) 13:49, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
:::They never have been for this (former) Londoner. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 17:06, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
::::This source, [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=PTAeAQAAIAAJ&q=gulf+and+golf+homophones&dq=gulf+and+golf+homophones&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjWyPLbju71AhWLYcAKHZ2bA1g4HhDoAXoECAMQAg ''Folia Anglistica'', Issue 1 (1997) p. 17] lists gulf/golf homonymy as a trait of [[Estuary English]] along with pull/pool and sorts/salts (guilty as charged m'Lud). [[User:Alansplodge|Alansplodge]] ([[User talk:Alansplodge|talk]]) 17:33, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
:::::Just another reminder that there are many different dialects of [[London English]], even by native residents (people who were born and raised and still live there). --[[User:Jayron32|Jayron]][[User talk:Jayron32|''32'']] 18:34, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
:::::: Those Esturians must have spread far and wide. During the Gulf Wars reporters from various countries were constantly bombarding us with news about (what sounded like) the Golf Wars. -- [[User:JackofOz|Jack of Oz]] [[User talk:JackofOz#top|[pleasantries]]] 20:24, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
:::::::{{small|They were confused by all the sand traps. --←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] ''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]'' [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 20:41, 7 February 2022 (UTC)}}
::::::::{{xt|In Melbourne (Australia), for some speakers 'gulf' and 'golf' are homophones, [gɔʊf]: there is rounding syllable finally (resulting in [ɔʊ] instead of [ʌl].}}
::::::::[https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=6DVYDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT94 ''Introduction to English Phonetics'' (Sect. 6.4.3)]
::::::::[[User:Alansplodge|Alansplodge]] ([[User talk:Alansplodge|talk]]) 21:20, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::There is also a "[https://www.thesandbelt.com/cms/ Sand Bewt]" of go[[Dark L|w]]f courses in Malbourne. Pete AU aka --[[User:Shirt58|Shirt58]] ([[User talk:Shirt58|talk]]) 09:58, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
::::::::::This is [[L-vocalization]], also a trait of London dialects; [[Cockney]], Estuary English and [[Multicultural London English]]. Our [[Australian English]] article states that:
::::::::::{{xt|The dialects of South East England, including most notably the traditional Cockney dialect of London, were particularly influential on the development of the new variety and constituted 'the major input of the various sounds that went into constructing' Australian English.}} [[User:Alansplodge|Alansplodge]] ([[User talk:Alansplodge|talk]]) 11:19, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

== I can't recall an English joke ==

There is an old joke (as early as of a few centuries ago) in Hebrew, which I suspect can't be translated well into English, but I can make up an analogous (up to date) one in English, which may go like this: ''Two drunk guys in a bar, are watching a TV report about an upcoming protest lead by the [[Black Lives Matter]] movement, but the report does not mention the name of the movement. One of the guys is asking: "I forgot their exact name. Is it, Back Knives '''Shatter''', or Back Knives '''Chatter'''?" The other fellow is responding: "Um.. I think you are wrong. Actually it is: Slack Wives Natter"''.

As I've pointed out, I've just made it up, but the idea is the same in both languages. However, I'm almost sure there is a known existent English joke, which expresses the same, but I can't recall it. Can anybody recall such a joke? If not in English, then in another language, but I prefer the English one. [[Special:Contributions/185.24.76.177|185.24.76.177]] ([[User talk:185.24.76.177|talk]]) 20:01, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

:Not sure that your example helps very much. Maybe explain what the relevant humorous technique is, or show us the original Hebrew? [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] ([[User talk:AnonMoos|talk]]) 20:28, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
::The Hebrew joke refers to the biblical verse in Leviticus 2 6. In Hebrew, the verse states (in IPA scripts): "Patot Otah Pittim, Weyasˤaqta ʕaleha ʃamen, Minha Hi".
::The Hebrew joke goes: Two young pupils are studying Bible and coming across the verse mentioned above. One of them is reading aloud: "'''Tapop''' Otah '''Tipp'''im, Weya'''qasˤ'''ta ʕaleha '''Maʃ'''en, '''Nim'''ha Hi". The other pupil is responding: "Wait, is it '''Nim'''ha or '''Him'''na?" [[Special:Contributions/185.24.76.177|185.24.76.177]] ([[User talk:185.24.76.177|talk]]) 20:54, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
:::The explanation is very confusing, although it might possibly help if I'd know Hebrew. Anyway, I came to think of [[spoonerism]], although that might not be what you're referring to. [[User:Wakuran|惑乱 Wakuran]] ([[User talk:Wakuran|talk]]) 23:02, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
::::Thanks. Now I wonder what's the difference between, spoonerism, and [[mondegreen]] mentioned by Dolphin51. [[Special:Contributions/185.24.77.169|185.24.77.169]] ([[User talk:185.24.77.169|talk]]) 08:43, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

:::Is the verse from Leviticus ({{Script/Hebrew|פָּת֤וֹת אֹתָהּ֙ פִּתִּ֔ים וְיָצַקְתָּ֥ עָלֶ֖יהָ שָׁ֑מֶן מִנְחָ֖ה הִֽוא}}) one that a (sober) typical Israeli, not particularly trained in reading biblical verses, can be expected to read without obvious difficulties? The joke is faintly reminiscent of a German joke. The context is an exam, where the candidate, having German as a second language, is probed on his knowledge of anatomy. {{tq|Professor: „Herr Kandidat, wollen Sie mir sagen, was das ist!” — Kandidat: „Das Lebber.” — Professor: „Erstens ist es nicht ''das'' Lebber, sondern ''die'' Lebber; zweitens ist es nicht die ''Lebber'', sondern die ''Leber''; drittens ist es nich die Leber, sondern das Herz.”}} It does not fully admit translation to English, which has no grammatical gender, but here is an attempt: {{tq|Professor: "Mr. Candidate, could you tell me what this is?" — Candidate: "That libber." — Professor: “First of all, it's not ''that'' libber, but ''the'' libber; second, it's not the ''libber'', but the ''liver''; third, it's not the liver, but the heart."}} It shares the notion of applying futile corrections to something that is totally off. Unlike the Hebrew joke, though, it builds up to a climax.  --[[User talk:Lambiam|Lambiam]] 00:30, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
::::Thanks. As to your introductory question: To "read" it without difficulties? Yes (in an Isreali accent, though, which is a bit different from the Biblical Hebrew one). but I'm not sure if they may also understand the full meaning of the very joke because most of them (like most people on earth) are not familiar with most of the biblical verses, and that's why I had preferred to make up an analogous English joke, without having phrased the Hebrew one, before AnonMoos asked me to display also the Hebrew one. As to the German joke: Yes, I admit it has a better climax, but also the Hebrew joke (like its English analogue I had made up) has its own climax - albeit a weaker one. [[Special:Contributions/185.24.77.169|185.24.77.169]] ([[User talk:185.24.77.169|talk]]) 13:15, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

::::See [[Mondegreen]]. There’s even [[Mondegreen#Hebrew|a section on Hebrew]]. [[User:Dolphin51|''Dolphin'']] ''([[User talk:Dolphin51|t]])'' 02:33, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
:::::Thanks. Now I wonder what's the difference between, mondegreen, and [[spoonerism]] mentioned by Wakuran. [[Special:Contributions/185.24.77.169|185.24.77.169]] ([[User talk:185.24.77.169|talk]]) 08:43, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

::::::The difference is explained in the relevant articles.--[[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|feed me]] 09:08, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
:::::::I suspect it's not. For example, what's the big difference between - confusing "There's a bathroom on the right" with "There's a bad moon on the rise" - which is an example given in our article [[Mondegreen]], versus - confusing "The Lord is a shoving leopard" with "The Lord is a loving shepherd" - which is an example given in our article [[spoonerism]]. [[Special:Contributions/185.24.77.169|185.24.77.169]] ([[User talk:185.24.77.169|talk]]) 09:14, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
::::::::You've already been directed to the two relevant articles. Each gives a definition in the first sentence:
::::::::*A mondegreen is a mishearing or misinterpretation of a phrase in a way that gives it a new meaning.
::::::::*A spoonerism is an error in speech in which corresponding consonants, vowels, or morphemes are switched between two words in a phrase.
::::::::The first is accidental mis-hearing; the second accidental or deliberate mis-speaking. [[User:Bazza 7|Bazza]] ([[User talk:Bazza 7|talk]]) 09:56, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::Thx. So it seems that the mistake referred to in the introductory joke (about the drunk guys) is both a Modegren and a spoonerism. I guess this may be the case in many other similar errors. [[Special:Contributions/185.24.77.169|185.24.77.169]] ([[User talk:185.24.77.169|talk]]) 10:29, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
::::::::(ec)Well, the difference in those examples is that "There's a bad moon on the rise" ''does actually sound like "There's a bathroom on the right" (in the song, it does - John Fogerty, for all his talent, is far from being the most easily understood singer in the world). But "shoving leopard" and "loving shepherd" cannot be mistaken one for the other. They have the beginning sounds of each word swapped, but one would not hear the one for the other, but a speaker might accidentally speak the one for the other. There's a legend that the city of Calistoga in California got its name that way. It was allegedly to be named Saratoga, but the man publicly declaring the new town at its dedication was drunk and he proclaimed the city "Calistoga, Sarafornia!" [[Special:Contributions/2600:1702:4960:1DE0:E887:A72C:A630:19A6|2600:1702:4960:1DE0:E887:A72C:A630:19A6]] ([[User talk:2600:1702:4960:1DE0:E887:A72C:A630:19A6|talk]]) 10:02, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::"The man...was drunk" ? Interesting, so it's like in the English joke I had made up. Anyways, thanks for this info. It seems that every Mondegreen is a spoonerism, but unnecessarily vice versa. [[Special:Contributions/185.24.77.169|185.24.77.169]] ([[User talk:185.24.77.169|talk]]) 10:29, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

:::::::::: I disagree. A Mondegreen reflects a problem in hearing; whereas a Spoonerism reflects a problem in remembering. [[User:Dolphin51|''Dolphin'']] ''([[User talk:Dolphin51|t]])'' 11:04, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::::I think you should change the indent, because you're probably responding to the previous editor I responded to. Please notice that my response to them took their statements as our new assumptions, without trying to judge whether those assumptions are really valid. [[Special:Contributions/185.24.77.169|185.24.77.169]] ([[User talk:185.24.77.169|talk]]) 11:17, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
::::::::::::Dolphin51 obviously disagreed with your statement that every Mondegreen is a spoonerism, and for good reasons. I cannot think of a single Mondegreen that is also a spoonerism. In a spoonerism, phonemes get permuted (usually swapped) within a phrase; the spoonerized phrase consists of the same phonemes as the original, but presented in a different order. In almost all Mondegreens, phonemes are replaced by ''similar but different'' phonemes, but still in the same order as before. In a few Mondegreens, however, the difference is not in the phonemes themselves, but in how they are parsed up into words (''[[Ich will den Kreuzstab gerne tragen, BWV 56|Gladly the cross I'd bear]]'' versus ''Gladly, the cross-eyed bear'').  --[[User talk:Lambiam|Lambiam]] 12:28, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It seems you didn't read my recent response to Dolphin51. They thought I thought every Mondegreen was a spoonerism, '''but I didn't think so'''. As I have explained to Dophin51 in my recent response to them, I only thought - that taking the third editor's statements as our new assumptions (without trying to judge whether those assumptions were really valid) - I ''concluded'' that every Mondegreen was a spoonerism. But when I first displayed this conclusion, I didn't have to phrase it as a ''conclusion'' - which assumed the third editor's statements, because it was only displayed in my response to the third editor, rather than to Dolphin51. Only after Dolphin51 expressed their disagreement, I explained to them that their disagreement should not be with me but rather with the third editor, because the claim Dolphin51 disagreed with was only my conclusion inferred from the third editor's statements I had taken as assumptions (without trying to judge whether those assumptions were really valid). [[Special:Contributions/185.24.77.169|185.24.77.169]] ([[User talk:185.24.77.169|talk]]) 13:14, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
::::::::::::::That Hebrew joke appears to be a spoonerism to me, although I don't understand it. [[User:Wakuran|惑乱 Wakuran]] ([[User talk:Wakuran|talk]]) 15:31, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Oh, I think, it's really wonderful to be able to say something smart (as you do) - about a joke phrased in a foreign language your don't understand at all. But actually you don't have to understand in it more than what you understanbd in the English joke displayed in the first paragraph of this thread. Both jokes are analogous to each other, from the viewpoint of the common general idea they express, which has nothing to do with the very meaning of the new wrong words mistakenly replacing the original ones. [[Special:Contributions/185.24.77.169|185.24.77.169]] ([[User talk:185.24.77.169|talk]]) 18:55, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::{{small|Well, the English one does not quite reach the ROFL level. Truth be told, it is not funny ''at all''. I cannot judge the hilariousness of the {{lang|he|נמחה}}–{{lang|he|חמנה}} joke is.  --[[User talk:Lambiam|Lambiam]] 19:24, 8 February 2022 (UTC)}}
:::::::::::::::::Oh, I have never claimed the climax of these jokes is really funny. I have only claimed both of them are analogous to each other, and that's why I called the English one "a joke": Simply because its Hebrew analogue is considered (by the people who tell it) to be "a joke" as well. Anyway, my question was not about how funny those "jokes" are, but rather about a known existent English "joke" analogous to those "jokes". But I admit the climax of the German one is really nice. [[Special:Contributions/185.24.77.169|185.24.77.169]] ([[User talk:185.24.77.169|talk]]) 19:41, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

= February 8 =

== Devalayam Redirect to kovil ==

Devalayam (Temple in English)is getting redirected to "Kovil" Tamil Language word Page. Devalayam is a Sanskrit Language origin word and should have connections to any Sanskrit based word like Prarthana Mandir, Bhagawan Mandir, and so on.
If there is no page for Devalayam it should be linked or redirected to appropriate Sanskrit language based near meaning words. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:DeepakMalhar|DeepakMalhar]] ([[User talk:DeepakMalhar#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DeepakMalhar|contribs]]) 16:31, 8 February 2022 (UTC) 
:I'm afraid I don't have the background in either Indian architecture or the languages involved. Does [[Devalayam]] refer to a [[Hindu temple]] in general or to a specific type or design of such temple? Maybe we do have a better target. --[[User:Jayron32|Jayron]][[User talk:Jayron32|''32'']] 16:46, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
::Also, although this is more of a general point and might be less relevant in this case, redirects on the English Wikipedia should reflect on how the terms are used in English, rather than how they are used in the source language. [[User:Wakuran|惑乱 Wakuran]] ([[User talk:Wakuran|talk]]) 17:30, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
:::To further complicate matters, I see that Wikipedia has an article for [[Devaalayam]] (which I assume is generally a matter of transcription rather than a different word), but that article is about a 1960's movie. [[User:Wakuran|惑乱 Wakuran]] ([[User talk:Wakuran|talk]]) 17:33, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

:{{U|DeepakMalhar}}, by that argument [[Courgette]] should not redirect to [[Zucchini]], because one is a French word and the other is Italian. This is plainly nonsensical, because the words refer to the same thing. The question is, do "devalayam" and "koyil" refer to the same thing? If so, then the redirect is reasonable, though [[Koil]] should say somewhere that devalayam is another name for it. If they are not the same thing, then it is less clear. Perhaps it should redirect to [[Hindu temple architecture]] - though that article doesn't mention "devalayam" either. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 18:06, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

:In some Dravidian languages this is a term for a place of worship: Tamil [[wikt:தேவாலயம்|தேவாலயம்]] (tēvālayam), Telugu [[wikt:దేవాలయం|దేవాలయం]] (dēvālayaṃ). In Tamil it can also be used for a Christian church, as seen e.g. [[:ta:கிறித்தவத் தேவாலயம்|here]]; Telugu uses a borrowing from English ''church'' for that purpose. The term derives from Sanskrit देवआलय ("devālaya"), meaning "divine abode"; the "abode" bit is also represented in "Himalaya" – abode of snow. Our article [[Hindu temple]] has a [[Hindu temple#Etymology and nomenclature|list of names]] by which they are referred to in various Hindic languages, including ''Devalayam'' (దేవాలయం) and ''[[Kovil]]'' (கோவில்). The Sanskrit name ''devalaya'' is also mentioned. The best solution is (IMO) to make this a dab page between [[Hindu temple]] and the film (which is also sometimes referred to as ''Devalayam'').  --[[User talk:Lambiam|Lambiam]] 19:09, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

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