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||<span style="color:white;">This page is located somewhere on the brink between light and darkness, between shadow and substance, between matter and antimatter, between essay and humour, and between ignoring the rules and following procedure. This threshold is commonly known as ''{{coloredlink|white|The Twilight Zone}}''... '''''Doo Doo Doo Doo'''''</span> Take a break from editing if fatigue is a problem, it's very refreshing
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Sometimes we are [[WP:WHATISTOBEDONE|stuck between a rock and a hard place]], [[sail]]ing between [[Scylla]] and [[Charybdis]], not sure to [[WP:AGF|AGF!]] or [[WP:call a spade a spade|call a spade a spade]] or just ignore all trolls! Traditionally the phrase ''between [[Scylla and Charybdis]]'' has come to mean being in a state where one is [[Morton's fork|between two dangers and moving away from one will cause you to be in danger from the other]].

This is ''the grey zone'' <u>the twilight zone</u> that evening time when things lose their distinction, and every move may be wrong, a [[Fall|stumble]] from off the [[bridge (card game)|bridge]], or [[Bernard Montgomery, 1st Viscount Montgomery of Alamein| a bridge too far]].
* Remember to keep a [[WP:NPOV|neutral point of view]].
* Don't [[Stumble|fall]] between the cracks, into the grey zone.

== Working together ==
{{seealso|Wikipedia:Etiquette}}
[[Image:Mast zelikvor.jpg|400px|right|thumb|set the right course]] 
[[Wikipedia:Article development|Building]] [[Wikipedia]] is a collaborative process. So what happens when the process is not working optimally?

EditorA makes an edit to an article, a “bad edit”, which does not adhere to a [[Wikipedia:neutral point of view|neutral point of view]]. This is by no means the first time that EditorA has made such an edit. EditorB reverts that edit, and on the discussion page (or in the [[WP:ES|edit summary]]) says. “I reverted your edit, EdA, because you are a [[WP:POVPUSH|POV-pusher]], pushing a POV".

EditorC comes along, notices that EditorB has been '''[[Wikipedia:Civility|uncivil]]'''. And posts to the discussion page, “EditorB, you have been uncivil, please withdraw your statement”.<ref>Note that [[WP:Edit summary#Fixing|Edit summaries are difficult to fix]].</ref>

What has gone wrong here? Well EditorB did not act perfectly, neither did EditorA (perfection being unavailable to human beings). But what did EditorC do wrong? Well, EditorD [[Wikipedia:Consensus|comes along]], and, as well as checking that EditorB apologised for the INCIVILITY, EditorD also checks the ORIGINAL edit by EditorA, and, if that edit was defective, tries to repair it. (Note that, although EditorB reverted the change made by EditorA, EdA or other editors may have re-instated it in the meantime.) EditorD also notices that this is the eighth time that EditorA has tried to insert poorly-sourced material favoring a certain point of view, and points out Wikipedia's policies regarding [[WP:NPOV|neutrality]] and [[WP:V|verifiability]].

Just checking on [[wikipedia:Civility|INCIVILITY]] is only part of the work. The accuracy of edits must be checked, even if the editor who brought the problem to the community’s attention was to some degree incivil in doing so. This is not, though, an excuse for incivility. The background to the incident at hand should also be taken into account, and pointers made to appropriate Wikipedia policy.

And if there is no EditorD? Then, in that case, we just hope that most editors, in the role of EditorC, are experienced enough to know that they might have to do BOTH of these things (deprecate any incivility, AND check the original edit). In practice, the likelihood of EditorC doing this is similar to the likelihood of stumbling over the [[Hope Diamond]] as one is walking across the street.

==See also==
* [[Wikipedia:Avoid personal remarks|Avoid personal remarks]] – It is very important to discuss edits, and refrain from commenting on Editors
* [[WP:WHATISTOBEDONE|When you wonder what to do]]
* [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not]]
* [[WP:NPOVFAQ]] Neutral Point of View – Frequently asked questions
* [[Wikipedia:Don't take the bait|Don't take the bait]] – Avoid responding to provocation
* [[Wikipedia:Writing for the opponent|Writing for the opponent]] The intent is to show that that you understand another person's perspective
* [[Wikipedia:Call a spade a spade#The duck test|Applying the duck test]]
* [[Wikipedia:What is a troll?#Not feeding the trolls|Do not feed the trolls]]
* [[Wikipedia:Gray Area|Gray Area]]
* [[Wikipedia:Gray lines|Gray lines]]

==Notes==
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{{Wikipedia essays|civility}}

Wikipedia:The grey zone - Revision history

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