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Sean Caddle

Created by Mhawk10 (talk). Self-nominated at 05:16, 29 January 2022 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg More of a comment than a review but, while all three hooks are technically interesting and cited, all three do seem to have BLP concerns. I wonder if other hooks could be proposed here that meet BLP. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:19, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
    • @Narutolovehinata5: Can you expand upon what the particular BLP issue is? The three hooks are all cited to reliable WP:NEWSORGs (and several other suitable sources exist, such as The New York Times, Hartford Courant, NJ.com, etc. The plea agreement that Caddle entered into would satisfy relevant WP:BLPCRIME issues. The three hooks are also related to the things Caddle is most known for. I'd understand BLP concerns if there weren't a conviction or plea agreement, but the presence makes the murder for hire plot (extremely rare in the scope of modern U.S. politics) something that might attract a lot of attention to the article. — Mhawk10 (talk) 21:43, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
I'm just not comfortable having a hook calling a living person a criminal on the main page, regardless of their political affiliation. It feels against the spirit of BLP if you ask me. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:33, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
It's not the partisan affiliation that is sort of key here, but it's the murder-for-hire that the person admitted to which involved killing a politician. Anywho, I've proposed another alternative above (ALT3) that doesn't mention any of the criminal activity. — Mhawk10 (talk) 03:36, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg None of the hooks are acceptable. Per the DYK rules, "Articles and hooks that focus unduly on negative aspects of living individuals or promote one side of an ongoing dispute should be avoided." The proposed ALT3 does not violate that rule, but I do not see what makes it interesting to a broad audience, nonpartisan voter drives are very common. (t · c) buidhe 06:47, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
    • Is that the New Jersey guy was running a whole voter registration operation in Texas not interesting or unexpected for a politician? Also, I'm really going to contest that ALT0-2 unduly focus on negative aspects. Searching his name on Google News yields about 4400 results, while searching "Sean Caddle" "murder-for-hire" yields about 2250 (and "murder-for-hire" is obviously not the only verbatim phrase that can be used for paying people to assassinate someone). With a very conservative measure, over half of the sources covering him seem to be interested in the murder-for-hire plot, which is what he's most known for at this point. Why would featuring this be undue? — Mhawk10 (talk) 18:10, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
      • The issue is that the proposed hooks don't focus on the assassination plot, but rather a specific living individual's role in it. (t · c) buidhe 01:14, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
        • Ok. I think I can work with this. I'll try to think of another hook. — Mhawk10 (talk) 03:24, 2 February 2022 (UTC)