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Administrator instructions

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Categories for discussion (CfD) is the central venue for discussing specific proposals to delete, merge, rename or split categories and stub types in accordance with the guidelines for categorization, category naming and stub articles.

For detailed instructions about using CfD, see "How to use CfD" below. Briefly, nominations are handled through one of two processes:

  1. Speedy renaming and merging, for uncontroversial proposals that meet specified criteria—see "Speedy renaming and merging" below.
  2. Full discussion, for all other proposals. Discussions typically remain open at least seven days and are closed once a rough consensus has formed or no objections to the nomination are raised.

Except in uncontroversial cases such as reverting vandalism, do not amend or depopulate a category once it has been nominated at CfD as this hampers other editors' efforts to evaluate a category and participate in the discussion.

When a category is renamed or merged with another category, in limited circumstances it may be helpful to leave an instance of the {{Category redirect|...}} template on the category's former page. See "Redirecting categories" below for more information.

Wikipedia:Move review can be used to contest the outcome of a CfD request that is limited in scope to renaming, as long as all steps are followed. If a discussion on the request closer's talk page does not resolve an issue, then a move review will evaluate the close of a CfD move discussion to determine whether or not the close was reasonable and consistent with the spirit and intent of common practice, policies, and guidelines. CfDs involving deletion should be reviewed at Wikipedia:Deletion review.

Scope

CfD is intended only for specific proposals to delete, merge, rename or split categories or stub types. For general discussion about how to improve the category system, use other appropriate venues such as Wikipedia talk:Categorization, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories, and any relevant WikiProjects' talk pages.

Current discussions

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Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Awaiting closure

See also the list of individual discussions awaiting closure here and the list of full open discussions awaiting closure here.

Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/How-to

Speedy renaming and merging

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Speedy renaming or speedy merging of categories may be requested only if they meet a speedy criterion, for example WP:C2D (consistency with main article's name) or WP:C2C (consistency with established category tree names). Please see instructions below.

  1. Determine which speedy criterion applies
  2. Tag category with {{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}
  3. List request along with speedy criteria reason under "Current requests" below on this page

Please note that a speedy request must state which of the narrowly defined criteria strictly applies. Hence, any other non-speedy criteria, even "common sense" or "obvious", may be suitable points, but only at a full discussion at WP:Categories for discussion.

Request may take 48 hours to process after listing if there are no objections. This delay allows other users to review the request to ensure that it meets the speedy criteria for speedy renaming or merging, and to raise objections to the proposed change.

Categories that qualify for speedy deletion (per Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, e.g. "patent nonsense", "recreation") can be tagged with the regular speedy tags, such as {{db|reason}} with no required delay. Empty categories can be deleted if they remain empty 7 days after tagging with {{db-empty}}. Renaming under C2E can also be processed instantly as it is a variation on G7.

To oppose a speedy request you must record your objection within 48 hours of the nomination. Do this by inserting immediately under the nomination:

  • Oppose, (the reasons for your objection). ~~~~

You will not be able to do this by editing the page WP:Categories for discussion. Instead you should edit the section WP:Categories for discussion#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here or the page WP:Categories for discussion/Speedy#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here (WP:CFDS). Be aware that in the course of any discussion, the nomination and its discussion may get moved further down the page purely for organizational convenience – you may need to search WP:CFDS to find the new location. Participate in any ongoing discussion, but unless you withdraw your opposition, a knowledgeable person may eventually bring forward the nomination and discussion to become a regular CFD discussion. At that stage you may add further comments, but your initial opposition will still be considered. However, if after seven days there has been no support for the request, and no response from the nominator, the request may be dropped from further consideration as a speedy.

Contested speedy requests become stale, and can be un-tagged and de-listed after 7 days of inactivity. Optionally, if the discussion may be useful for future reference, it may be copied to the category talk page, with a section heading and {{moved discussion from|[[WP:CFDS]]|2=~~~~}}. If the nominator wants to revive the process, this may be requested at WP:Categories for discussion (CfD) in accordance with its instructions.

If you belatedly notice and want to oppose a speedy move that has already been processed, contact one of the admins who process the Speedy page. If your objection seems valid, they may reverse the move, or start a full CFD discussion.

Speedy criteria

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The category-specific criteria for speedy renaming, or merging are strictly limited to:

C2A: Typographic and spelling fixes

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  • Correction of spelling errors and capitalization fixes. Differences between British and American spelling (e.g. Harbours → Harbors) are not considered errors; however if the convention of the relevant category tree is to use one form over the other then a rename may be appropriate under C2C. If both spellings exist as otherwise-identical category names, they should be merged.
  • Appropriate conversion of hyphens into en dashes or vice versa (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations).
  • Correction of obvious grammatical errors, such as a missing conjunction (e.g. Individual frogs toads → Individual frogs and toads). This does not include changing the plurality of a noun when such the distinction between topic and set categories is uncertain.

C2B: Consistency with established Wikipedia naming conventions and practices

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C2C: Consistency with established category tree names

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Bringing a category into line with established naming conventions for that category tree, or into line with the various "x by y", "x of y", or "x in y" categorization conventions specified at Wikipedia:Category names

  • This should be used only where there is no room for doubt that the category in question is being used for the standard purpose instead of being a potential subcategory.
  • This criterion should be applied only when there is no ambiguity or doubt over the existence of a category naming convention. Such a convention must be well defined and must be overwhelmingly used within the tree. If this is not the case then the category in question must be brought forward to a full Cfd nomination.
  • This criterion will not apply in cases where the category tree observes distinctions in local usage (e.g. Category:Transportation in the United States and Category:Transport in the United Kingdom).

C2D: Consistency with main article's name

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  • Renaming a topic category to match its eponymous page (e.g. Category:The Beatles and The Beatles).
  • This applies only if the related page's current name (and by extension, the proposed name for the category) is:
    • unambiguous (so it generally does not apply to proposals to remove a disambiguator from the category name, even when the main article is the primary topic of its name, i.e. it does not contain a disambiguator); and
    • uncontroversial, either because of longstanding stability at that particular name, or because the page was just moved (i) after a page move discussion resulted in explicit consensus to rename, or (ii) unilaterally to reflect an official renaming which is verified by one or more citations (provided in the nomination). C2D does not apply if the result would be contrary to guidelines at WP:CATNAME, or there is any ongoing discussion about the name of the page or category, or there has been a recent discussion concerning any of the pages that resulted in a no consensus result, or it is controversial in some other way.
  • This criterion may also be used to rename a set category in the same circumstances, where the set is defined by a renamed topic; e.g. players for a sports team, or places in a district.
  • Before nominating a category to be renamed per WP:C2D, consider whether it makes more sense to move the article instead of the category.

C2E: Author request

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  • This criterion applies only if the author of a category requests or agrees to renaming within six months of creating the category.
  • The criterion does not apply if other editors have populated or changed the category since it was created. "Other editors" includes bots that populated the category, but excludes an editor working with the author on the renaming.

C2F: One eponymous article

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  • This criterion applies if the category contains only an eponymous article, list or media file, provided that the category has not otherwise been emptied shortly before the nomination. The default outcome is an upmerge to the parent categories, where applicable. Nominations should use {{subst:cfm-speedy}} (speedy merger) linking to a suitable parent category, or to another appropriate category (e.g. one that is currently on the article).

Admin instructions

When handling the listings:

  1. Make sure that the listing meets one of the above criteria.
  2. With the exception of C2E, make sure that it was both listed and tagged at least 48 hours previously.
  3. Make sure that there is no opposition to the listing; if there is a discussion, check if the opposing user(s) ended up withdrawing their opposition.

If the listing meets these criteria, simply have the category renamed or merged – follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Administrator instructions, in the section "If the decision is to Rename, Merge, or Delete"; to list it for the bots, use the Speedy moves section.

Applying speedy criteria in full discussions

  • A nomination to merge or rename, brought forward as a full CfD, may be speedily closed if the closing administrator is satisfied that:
    • The nomination clearly falls within the scope of one of the criteria listed here, and
    • No objections have been made within 48 hours of the initial nomination.
  • If both these conditions are satisfied, the closure will be regarded as having been as a result of a speedy nomination. If any objections have been raised then the CfD nomination will remain in place for the usual 7-day discussion period, to be decided in accordance with expressed consensus.

Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here

If the category and desired change do not match one of the criteria mentioned in C2, do not list it here. Instead, list it in the main CFD section.

If you are in any doubt as to whether it qualifies, do not list it here.

Use the following format on a new line at the beginning of the list: 

* [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~

(The four ~ will sign and datestamp the entry automatically.)
If the current name should be redirected rather than deleted, use: 

*REDIRECT [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~

To note that human action is required, e.g. updating a template that populates the category, use: 

* NO BOTS [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~

Remember to tag the category with: {{subst:Cfr-speedy|New name}}

A request may be completed if it is more than 48 hours old; that is, if the time stamp shown is earlier than 23:33, 12 May 2026 (UTC). Currently, there are 0 open requests (refresh).

Current requests

Please add new requests at the top of the list.

  • Oppose speedy, the nomination contradicts C2D. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:14, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
    @Marcocapelle: The reason I created the category was to include all historic runic inscriptions with magic contents, such as spells, charms and so on, to make them easily findable. However I realized that other editors in the future could use it on pages for modern innovations like Armanen runes, so I want to make the name less ambiguous to prevent that from happening (there's already Category:Runes in Germanic mysticism for that anyways). Mårtensås (talk) 11:29, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
    So perhaps it could be better renamed to Category:Historical runic magic or something similar. Mårtensås (talk) 11:32, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
  • I have only tagged the category now.--Ymblanter (talk) 06:33, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Opposed requests

  • Oppose speedy The Project/userspace categories do not need to match article names. This should be discussed on the talkpage of the relevant WikiProject. UnitedStatesian (talk) 20:23, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose speedy per discussion on talk page, this is not uncontroversial. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:15, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

On hold pending other discussion

  • None currently

Moved to full discussion

  • Category:Horticulture by country and Category:Gardening by country to Category:Horticulture and gardening by country – C2C to remain consistent with Category:Horticulture and gardening. –Aidan721 (talk) 03:48, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
    • Oppose ALL these - pointless merge. THIS SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN PUT AS A SPEEDY! 14:22, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
      • @Johnbod: To the unsigned comment, how about a reason for your opposition because it clearly fits the criteria per WP:C2C. –Aidan721 (talk) 15:39, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
    • The broader question at stake is whether it would make sense to diffuse Category:Horticulture and gardening to Category:Horticulture and Category:Gardening. I do not have the answer to that question but if the answer is yes, then the country categories can be kept separate too. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:14, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
      • Agreed. –Aidan721 (talk) 03:00, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
        • The 2 appear to have been merged following a Wikiproject discussion: diff which perhaps refers to Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Horticulture_and_Gardening/Archive_1#Horticulture_and_Gardening. I would agree with Aidan721 that the subcats should have followed via C2C. Oculi (talk) 12:13, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
          • I have taken a closer look at the content of the categories and in all fairness there seems to be a distinction between horticulture for commercial purposes versus gardening for one's own pleasure. Another issue is whether we should diffuse this by country at all, there is in general not too much content per country. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:08, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
            • I agree with @Johnbod: that these categories should not be merged or renamed without a full discussion. C2C "should be used only where there is no room for doubt that the category in question is being used for the standard purpose instead of being a potential subcategory". National categories are relevant as these are land based industries and many of the categories are well populated. TSventon (talk) 11:11, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
        • We now have two objections, so the speedy was clearly wrong (by definition, as quoted above)! There are all sorts of issues here. I don't have an issue with the "by country" aspect, but the vast majority of the items in all these categories are gardening-related. Gardeners can be called "horticulturalists", but so can arable farmers and plant scientists (who don't seem to have a category), who aren't in here. A proper discussion is needed, not what seemed to have been a drive-by nom of all these. Johnbod (talk) 12:02, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
            • Looking at the links (for which thanks), why am I not surprised to find User:SilkTork at the bottom of this! The category merge (11 years ago!) was clearly out of process, & reversing it should certainly be an option. Though the current situation has been in place for 11 years without apparent complaints. Johnbod (talk) 12:05, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
                • Responding to multiple pings. Hi Johnbod - what have I done "out of process" and which has "not surprised" you? Just curious. I looked at the category merge and noted that there was a discussion and consensus for the merge. What did you find to be "out of process"? SilkTork (talk) 12:59, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
              • Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:52, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
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Once the renaming has been completed, copy and paste the listing to the Ready for deletion section of Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Working/Manual.

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